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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 11:32 am 
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I want to see drivers going to the limit again. And besides the fact with tuned down engines and cars that look too easy to drive, I want them to see on the limit, and if they are going over the limit, then it should end in tears. That sorts the men from the boys.

wheter it is being struck in a gravel trap, crash, or just losing a lot of time on the gras. I don't care.

For example, the parabolica at Monza. It was great to watch the cars going with the left wheels onto the white line, and knowing that if they go a bit further it might end in tears. Even if it did not happen during the race, I still got the adrenaline watching the cars/drivers doing that.

Now the Parabolica has lost all of that.

That is just an example,


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Why was it so good? Well, tracks weren't like this shit:
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Mexico has been fucked. This is the layout from F1 2015.



Byt sterilizing tracks not only has FIA ruined F1, they've ruined GP2, GP3, GT classes, F3, WSBR, WTCC and basically all racing in Europe except for BTCC that still uses proper circuits.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:08 pm 
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Why is it wrong to say F1 is boring this year, without coming with a solution to fix it? There are people well involved with F1 who make the rules and who try to spice things up and actually know F1 from within and without. They make changes. All we do as fans and viewers is saying that it isn't working and that F1 is boring. But it is not our job to come with a solution, there are people better trained to do so.

I think someone should be perfectly capable of criticizing something, without coming with a solution.

That said, my "solution" is to give more responsibility back to the driver, and make them less depending on telemetry and decisions from the pitlane. Will this solve everything? No, Will it help more than adding a titanium plate for sparks? Probably yes.


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Wish more effort would go into fine-tuning the DRS so that its effectivity is the same at all tracks. At some places, DRS effect is just enough to overcome the dirty air but at some others, it gives too much advantage to the passer.


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- No DRS (or if they have to keep it, DRS whenever the drivers wants)
- Gravel traps/grass instead of all this tarmac
- More challenging cars to drive (I'm not an expert so don't ask me how)
- No or at least less communication from the team towards the drivers on what he should do (save tyres, fuel, brakes etc.)
- Can't help it: louder engines
- No engine freeze
- More testing
- Less bitching about things like donuts after the race or anything spontaneous (everything is too strict now)
- Cheaper tickets
- Free races on TV
- Keep the classic circuits like Monza etc. and don't sacrifice them for a race in Azerbaijaniranqatarian
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I'll probably add more, have to do my job now..


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put a budget cap on aerodynamic development with freedom for design and engines

no radio comunications unless in case of emergency, use pitboards instead

salary cap for drivers, if they want to earn more, go for sponsors and licensing

more marketing events opened for public, get people close from the whole thing and open new sponsors opportunities

a slow start on this thing could be better. I'm proposing a bit of socialism and constructors are there for their share but I can't see someone earning nothing but debts so a financial fair play could enter here

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More unforgiving and scary: Gravel Traps, less Aero, more power and great sounding engine, don't need to be aspirated but it has to show more than it does a GP2 car.


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F1 is so broken it can't be fixed.


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Pretty much what others have said.

- Ground effects, or a more standard front and rear wing. Anything that allows the cars to follow each other much more closely in the corners, and anything that makes the cars harder to drive.

- No DRS. It's not needed if the cars are already closer together coming onto the straights.

- A change in the tyre rules. I'm not sure what exactly. I don't mind drivers looking after their tyres, so maybe make a rule that you don't have to use both compounds? Some drivers can try and make a harder tyre last the full distance, whilst others go flat out on a softer tyre but make a pit stop or two.

- Engines. I personally don't mind the sound of the turbos, because I didn't like the high pitch whine of the engines from the 2000s, but I think the noise is important to people at the track. I don't think there should be a rule over how many engines you can use in a season. We don't need people coasting around because they're worried about a penalty for blowing too many engines.

- The circuits. I've mentioned it so many times, but aerogi summed it up perfectly. So many challenging corners that have now lost their edge because it's so easy to run wide onto the tarmac if you make a mistake. I can understand the safety reasons for having tarmac at Eau Rouge, or Blanchimont, but every single slow/medium speed corner should be gravel or grass, and I can't understand why every circuit is being made so easy. Where is the challenge?

- Less info from the engineers. Let the driver decide when and if he needs to save fuel, or when to use full power.

- Obviously things like splitting the money more evenly.

- Better value for money at the races. Maybe allow the fans into the paddock on a Friday or something? F1 could really learn something from NASCAR here, where it seems a lot easier to meet your favourite driver. I remember one testing session at Silverstone where the fans were allowed into the pits during a lunch break, and every team except one shut their garage doors so you couldn't even look at anything. For me, that summed up F1's attitude towards the fans at the circuits.


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F1 is so broken it can't be fixed.


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these 2 tires were the things we like in F1 and the rest is F1 today

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2012 was my favourite season so just get pirelli to do that again (with stricter rules on tyre switching etc that caused all the punctures the next year)

With ground effect.

And gravel traps

And 30 cars.

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No hybrid stuff, no gadgets. Sports car racing makes it work, all it does is fuck up F1. Ditch it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 18, 2015 10:18 pm 
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Also I'd like some kind of filter for the fans to only focus on the aspects of the sport they like and not dwell on that which they don't

And anyone bringing up WEC in an f1 thread should have the channel showing f1 in their country scrambled

And WEC broadcasters should have special headsets from the fia that every time they make snarky comments running f1 down they receive an electric shock.

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- monster truck wheels on the rear, shopping trolley wheels at the front

- engines the size of an office block that spew out metric fucktons of burning hot oil

- asphalt run offs replaced with sheer 300ft drops

- cut off lewis hamilton's hair

f1 is fixed


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Schumifan wrote:
- cut off lewis hamilton's hair


Don't worry mother nature is doing that for us....

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Scotty wrote:
Right.

So around here I hear nothing but bitching, whining complaining about how shitty F1 is.

So put forward your solutions. Go on, instead of complaining why, lets all get to the root cause of the problem and work from there to fix it. Saying "make F1 like how it was in (this year)" is unreasonable. Why was it so good then and shit now?

1st thing.

TV payouts are a meritocracy via constructors championship and a DWC bonus paid to the constructor(team).

2. Car limits

Cars per team go from 2 to 3 and you cannot have more than two drivers in your team that have won a world championship(I think a medal idea would be better, I might revise)

3. Customer cars

Any team that has finished in the top five of the constructors championship in the last three years cannot sell a current iteration of their car. Teams and entities not in this category can build a car and sell to whomever they want, except for the top 5 constructors.

4. Tech Regs

Aerofoil elements will be reduced to 3 across the car, ground effect will be reintroduced and the tunnels will be on a freeze from the moment they hit the track on the first morning of testing until the next regulation change. Wider cars with a reversion back to stick actuated sequential shifters. A token system in regards to power adding devices(ex. a 4 cyl. engine can have 3 power adding devices such as a turbo or ERS system, but a max displacement of 2.0L, 6 cyl can have 2 and a limit of 2.5L, so on.) Tire rules are similar to 2010, except the teams must order their tires for each race after winter testing has completed. Also the crash test standards will be similar to those of an IndyCar.


5. Sporting regs

Qualifying will continue like before, but Q3 will be a one lap shootout based on the final times in Q2, with the fastest driver in Q2 going last (might revise this to to have it set by starting tire so that slowest of the prime tire goes first and fastest of the option goes last.)

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codename_47 wrote:
Schumifan wrote:
- cut off lewis hamilton's hair


Don't worry mother nature is doing that for us....


He's going bald?

Does need to get rid of that stupid oversized gold chain though.


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I dunno, I don't really dislike F1 right now. Yes it's boring, but I remember thinking the same back in 2002-3. It's not like I won't tune in on Sunday afternoon, or record it if I can't see it live.

Obviously things could be changed:
- Stop being ridiculous with the money. If this makes a constructor like Ferrari leave, let them leave. They'll come back.
- The tarmac craze that the FIA pushes on tracks has made a whole lot of things worse (not just F1), and I doubt that will be reversed, ever.
- Allow 1/3/6/idk car teams, no matter how shitty they are or if they blow up after 1 lap. It just spices things up, and who knows there's some raw talent that suddenly drops by.
- Free choice of tyre compounds.
- I'm not entirely up to speed with the regulations, but they could be a bit more open to interpretation I think, especially in terms of engines/power units.
- DRS, I'm ok with it if you stop using it in obvious overtaking spots (eg. Les Combes)
- Make the races longer OR shorter, preferably longer. They are too long to be called a sprint and too short for consistency and reliability to really get tested.
- Fan access: stop caving in in your ivory tower Paddock Club and let people get closer, interact more with people online

I don't mind the engineers giving intel to drivers. It's become part of racing cars, especially in this age of electronics & electrical power.
Sadly you can't really ditch the hybrid technology in the current societal climate, I think. If you want to attract sponsors they kind of need to be able to add an environmental edge to it.

But generally, I think F1 just ebbs and flows. Things will improve, other things will not. Once Mercedes loses its edge we might just see fun on-track battles again, and a lot of these issues will seem minor.

Still, I've kept out of F1 threads because as soon as you make one little remark (doesn't even have to be serious) you get flamed for WHY ARE YOU STILL WATCHING THEN or GO BACK TO YOUR ELMS WORLD CLASS RACING.

So, continue on and have fun! :thumbsup:


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