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What a fantastic race. Montreal always delivers. Really pleased for Ricciardo but feel that Williams really could have won. Did Massa need that second stop?

It's a shame Perez made that mistake at the end. His drive was absolutely faultless until then.

Felipe turns slightly right as, surprise!, the track bends to the right and Perez was making no effort to defend the inside or claim any piece of track except the bit directly in front of him.

Until he got to the braking zone, that is. 'Cause, you know, making abrupt moves in the braking zone is common and acceptable driver behaviour.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

When I saw the onboard replay from Perez, he appeared to take a straighter line towards T1. That has been pretty normal at this race and circuit over many years. Perez did not make a sudden jerking movement towards Massa or another part of the circuit, which is consistent with changing lanes while in the braking zone.

Perez is having braking issues but is holding / defending 3rd place on the last lap. It appeared to me more that Massa tried a mistimed do or die move and wiped them both out in the process.

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RtN - Felipe didn't just turn right but took a big tug toward the right. There was no progressive movement in the steering wheel that is consistent with that curve.

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Croft has Tweeted that Perez moves back 5 places in Austria for causing the accident.

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Watch the Vine again. Perez goes from being 1 cars-width away from the white line to 1 1\2 cars-width before Felipe hits him. That's a deviation, and is dangerous behaviour in a braking zone.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

Stewards judged that Perez "changed his racing line" which caused the contact.

still massa should had passed those cars many laps before, he is a crappy driver, no balls to overtake, he just got a run on sergio after his car was badly worn... I bet williams is really frustrated with him, how long is his contract?

That's absurd. PC gone too far. Half a car width is nothing and we've seen far worse deviations gone unpunished many a time.

Just because the stewards have made the call to punish Perez doesn't mean their assessment of the situation is correct. Massa made the error, end of story.

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Good decision by the stewards, fair play. They must've reviewed the steering traces from Perez which I imagine confirmed what we saw on the replays too. Shame for both drivers to lose out on solid points though.

You do not change your line in the braking zone. End of story. Perez did, the stewards (with all the testimony and telemetry) affirmed this, and the right driver has been penalised.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

+ 5 for the dumbnut

I hope this post doesn't trigger a big fight here(and I'm not a fan of either), but I start to think Hulk will never have a chance at a top team, if things continue as they are.

The top performances of Perez easily outshone the top performances of Hulk this year, imho.

about the crash, I agree with everything kals said about it. Imho, Perez was a double punished victim

@ - RtN. We'll agree to disagree. Testimony and telemetry is an easy excuse when we're not included in the process of these penalties. There are many a time when we all agree that the stewards get things wrong. I'm fine with being proven wrong and my assessment is stated. Moving half a car width in a braking zone is barely anything (If you've raced at all then you'll known what braking from high speeds is like) and we've seen drivers do far worse, plus get away with it and the attacking driver not benefit. When you're on the last lap and defending a podium position you'll take defensive lines into corners. To me Perez took a normal (defensive) line and made no sudden movements in the braking zone outside anything ordinary in the circumstance

Massa made the error, end of story.

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Hülkenberg for the results + points and Perez for the show. So i pick...

Ralf's first win was at Imola in 2001.

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The file I uploaded was named "rdsfail.jpg", so that's the whole point

That's your opinion, and that's fine, but the only person who agrees with you is Niki Lauda. Perez changed his mind about defending the corner and braked much earlier than the car attacking him. Unless Felipe has hitherto unknown telepathic abilities he could not have expected Perez to do what he did, and considering how close he was at the time Perez started to drift away from the edge of the track, he could not have done anything about it.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

That's fine RtN but you could say the same the other way around. Unless Perez has hitherto unknown telepathic abilities he could not have expected Massa to do what he did.

Like has been said by a couple of others, everyone is focusing purely on Perez and completely ignoring Massa's steering inputs just prior to the impact.

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I think Martin Brundle has the best take on this. At first glance it looked like it was just Perez who moved to the left and so I felt his penalty was justified but having a change of mind now. It was the tiniest of jinks by both drivers but they left themselves no margin for error.

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I am sure that whoever Force India sent up to argue Perez' case would have pointed out Felipe's steering inputs, that is assuming that the stewards did not notice them on their own initiative. I assume that they came to the same conclusion I did; that if Perez had held his line relative to the edge of the track (i.e. he had followed the curve), Felipe's inputs by themselves would have not caused an accident.

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Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

Well they were both called to see the stewards and I'd expect they have all the telemetry as well. They'll know a whole lot more then what we see on the telly.