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IT WAS JIMMIE JAWWWSON DID IT!

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Didn't say he was wrong. I just said that there was an additional hole in it where the suspensions went through, to dismiss that silly conspiracy theory of him being shot.

The point was not really at gkmotorsport but to confirm that there was an extra hole but nothing controversial about it to sustain conspiracy theories

It's not even a proper corner. It's a very smooth bend, even easier than Curva Grande at Monza

PS: I have never even played any PS Codemasters F1 games. The bumps on it might make it harder to drive than what looking from the outside gives the impression of, but the corner profile, itself, would suggest it to be extremely easy to ride through.

PS2: Of course Berger is gonna say it's a tricky corner, afterall, he was one of the very few who managed to crash there few years before Senna's fatal accident. How else can you not look bad if you don't make the corner appear tricky?

yesterday there was another special feature about Senna in SporTV, depicting his final weekend at Imola, the thing was heavy, specially when they showed his concerns over what happened, Frank Williams asking his friends to know if he was really going to race (to which was replied with "he's not only going to race, but to win aswell") and then him and Sid Watkins conversation in which Senna displayed a will to improve safety, too bad there was a race before

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Ok this HAS to be a joke, you can't be serious, lol.

Also, it's not easier than Curva Grande. Compare the radiuses, the smaller the radius, the more difficult the curve, it's simple geometry. Moreover, the Tamburello curve actually closed in at the end, while Curva Grande opens up.

Curva Grande was tighter in 1994, though. Not that that makes much difference, or that I disagree with Coldtyre. But today Tamburello would probably be quite easy, though that shouldn't be confused with being easy in 1994

I'm pretty sure Imola is cursed.

Built on an Indian burial ground like Talladega?

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I have never heard Berger claim Tamburello to be a tricky corner. And he obviously didn't make a mistake to crash there, he had a technical failure and that's the only reason somebody would crash in such an easy bend, as Berger said on the Sky interview.

Piquet, briefly after the accident, also said that only a car failure could explain a crash in Tamburello because "There is no way a person can make a mistake in that corner", to quote him.

As I said earlier, only some heavy bumps could induce some kind of "error" or trouble there.


Really? Smaller radii turns means they more difficult?! I always thought it was the other way around, ie, a bigger radius corner would mean a more difficult corner to ride through

Curva Grande of now, is fairly similar to Tamburello of 1989(and 1994), for instance



As JamesB said, Curva Grande was tighter in early 90's and definitely more difficult than Tamburello.

Look how Schumacher barely steers in Tamburello (and how bumpy the black parts of the tarmac actually were)


If you have trouble realizing, how tighter than Tamburello, Curva Grande was, just by looking, pay attention how it requires more steering


But this is all digression. What I said was that Tamburello's profile makes it a very easy corner and that only heavy bumps could have unsettled Senna's car, but that still is not very feasible and a car failure is the more likely cause IMHO.

Curva Grande is also an acceleration zone rather than a corner reached at an already high speed. Were the chicane not before Curva Grande, it's profile as a corner would be considerably different.

As flogged as these dead horses have become, I have to say that this is the most enjoyable version of these discussions I've ever come across. Mostly mature and factual posts make all the difference

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At around 32 minutes, Damon Hill and David Brabham discusses the corners in question. But watch the whole thing to put it all in context.

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AC's comment is among the worst things that have ever been said on this forum. And then his next post, feat. a " ". Stay classy.

That whole section of track all the way to Tosa saw many violent accidents, not just in Formula 1. There was a big crash there in Italian Touring Cars in 1993.

Yes Tamara Vidali. Plus Nannini had a crash there during a practice session in 1990 after being pushed. Then there's Gilles Villeneuve's crash in 1980.

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It always amazed me how fragile the cars were in 1990. Huge damage for what was a moderate looking impact. You had Martini's tub snap in half in practice, Donnelly's car coming to pieces at Jerez, and Nannini's Benetton being ripped to shreds at Montreal. Death traps really.

Thanks I'd forgotten about Patrese's crash there.

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One of the places where the slightest fault, human or mechanical, would result in a massive accident. As Hill and Brabham say, it was a very exciting corner when the car was right.

As an aside, I love how terrible the TV directing is here - cutting away while the Lotus was just spinning to see Capelli parked on the side of the road. One of those things that I guess would be so frustrating at the time but looks comical now

Yeah, I was watching a classic race on Sky last night (USA 1987). Fabi goes flying down the inside in a battle for 4th or 5th place, and then the camera cuts to Mansell who's running by himself. The camera eventually cuts back to a Benetton nose cone in the middle of the track.

We can argue about our favourite eras but there's no doubt that the coverage is so much better now (although I still get frustrated by seeing 500 different replays of the start at a time when things are happening ).

Yep, would be much better if they'd put the start replays in while the race had quietened down.

I guess they got used to see Vettel jumping in front of everyone

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