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I dont understand!! In China last year the RBR cars werent 1st and 2nd and had not controled at the front... and they raced each other with Mark coming out on top against Vettel with 2 laps to go. And everythig was ok at RBR.

But now they control the front in Sepang, and like in Turkey 2010 and team bosses are mad, because they are fighting for positions??!!!! I dont understand - its what we fans want!! Isnt it??
Sure crashes can happen when they fight for positions... but there should be always some respect between team mates on track to not to crash the cars..

It looks like im the only one happy that there was fight for the lead... and i really enyoyed it.
Usually the drivers moan "i cant overtake - do something with strategy" - Vettel

Here we got a great battle for the lead and some pepole (fans) still not happy. What do you want more??

I can believe it. I personally think that he had every right to fight for it. Yea, he had a team order. But so what? I've ignored orders at work before because I believed they weren't the right thing to do and I bet you have too.

People are just pissed because Webber has hidden behind this facade of always getting the short end of the stick and never getting any luck. He's had plenty of luck. He's also been in a car that is widely regarded as the class of the field (except last year probably) since mid-2009. What's he done with that? Nothing. A few wins here and there, lots of whining and not a lot else.

What Vettel demonstrated today is that he has the killer instinct. This is why Vettel is a 3 times World Champion and quite probably a future legend. Webber will be merely a footnote in the annuls of the Formula 1 history books. How often has Webber shown this kind of killer instinct?

Being nice, playing by the rules and having class do not make you a triple world champion. Ask Senna, ask Schumacher and ask Piquet.

Webber was screwed anyway. He would have been the one who was stuck behind Petrov and I don't think he would have done any better than 8th.

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/03/ ... akespeare/

Some good points made here.

RBR wanted both of them to save tyres, since they were on the "edge with graining". Mercedes might have caught them.



I agree that he had the right to fight for it, but could you call this a fight? Vettel could might as well be chasing a Marussia, to exaggerate a little bit, since Webber was cruising and saving tyres like the team ordered. Vettel is a better driver, definitely, but this wasn't a fair fight.

Good read. I fully agree with all what is written there!

It's not just about him and Webber though, it's a pretty massive sign of disrespect towards his team as well, and that includes the mechanics, the engineers and everyone down to the janitor. It's a team sport, and you can be guaranteed that if a mechanic consciously disobeyed his team, he would be booted so hard out the door he wouldn't be walking for a week. Vettel has now shown that he believes he is above the team, that he can more or less choose to do what he pleases and get away with it, and when he well knows that no one else could get away with the same, it's a bit of a spit in the face to everyone else who works so hard to help him achieve what he has done, and what he will continue to do.

It's a sport, fairness has nothing to do with it, the desire to win is everything. You could argue that it wasn't fair that Prost won in 1993 because he had a car that was easily the class of the field. You could argue the same about Schumacher 2001-2004 too. Or Hill in '96. Does it make their achievements any less valid because you could argue that it wasn't fair?

I get what you're saying, I just disagree with this notion of fairness that people are clinging to.

I don't agree with Rosberg not passing Hamilton. At the same time I'm glad Hamilton didn't let him past, despite him feeling that Rosberg was more deserving of the podium.

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Vettel should never have apologised for the move though. Even if he didn't mean it (hahahahahahahahaha) he could have given the place back. It's plainly obvious he meant to and the apology is just PR bullshit.

All of the points made seem to ignore the fact that Webber has done the exact same thing. The difference between the 2 situations is Vettel got the job done whilst Webber didn't. In fact that's a rather good way to sum up the last 3 years.

gave me a good laugh

Although Vettel is a complete ballsack, and showed complete disrespect towards his team mate, they are both racing drivers who were doing exactly that. If Webber deserved the victory, wouldn't he have crossed the line before Vettel? Vettel simply out raced him and Mark lost. Ultimately, isn't this what it should come down to? Who gives a flying fck about the politics...

a team spending $300 million per year on promoting its product.

Fucking hell I'm tired of hearing this moronic point of view. IT'S NOT ABOUT WHETHER YOU LIKE TEAM ORDERS. The point is if one driver is told to slow by the team and the other ignores those orders, it's neither respectful to your team nor particularly hard to beat your teammate who's been told to slow up. That's about as ballsy, gritty and "killer instinct" as bringing a gun to a knife fight.

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It is not a killer instict. It is a ruthless streak that typically only the very best have. See Senna, Schumacher, Alonso, Piquet, etc...

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Pretty much what I meant, but I think better explained than me.

But Webber was told to go into 'conservative' modus with his engine.

He lost quite some time because of this after the final pitstops. When you are told to slow down and go into conservative modus, you will 'loose' some adrenaline, your focus will be a few percentages less.

And all of a sudden your teammate ignores a direct order from the team and attacks you basically at full throttle.

If your boss is telling you to NOT do something, what would you do? If I would do I'd get probably sacked.

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I made a Ecel file of all the the (broadcasted) radio communications (from lap20), pitstops, difference (of Vettel vs Webber)

For those interested : http://www.mediafire.com/view/?2ud7nmd6ulcffzr

Man, imagine there was a TBK after Suzuka 1990.

At least this is honest.