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gd49 · PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 9:01 pm

Can anyone explain Button's strategy? Why was he pitted early on the medium tyres? Yes, his pace was poor but he was in no danger of being passed by Vettel. Whilst I guess he might have been passed by more cars when he finally did pit, could that have been mitigated by doing one less stop?

kals · PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:50 pm

phil1993 wrote:

Pastor Maldonado wrote:

"I have no idea why I got the penalty this time. "It was a good overtaking manoeuvre.

So, ermmm, Pasta over-cooked it again? :oops:

Justin Time · PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:21 pm

gd49 wrote:

Can anyone explain Button's strategy? Why was he pitted early on the medium tyres? Yes, his pace was poor but he was in no danger of being passed by Vettel. Whilst I guess he might have been passed by more cars when he finally did pit, could that have been mitigated by doing one less stop?

I assumed he must have had a slow puncture, but I didn't hear any interviews about that. I'm also curious about the reason.

kals · PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:45 pm

ellis wrote:

Michael also said on the radio he turned the engine off because that's what you do on aborted starts. Clearly things have changed since he last did one and he wasn't up to date. So there's 2 clashing excuses. Both can't be right.

The currect procedure has been in place from 2005 I believe.

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:56 am

BrainPain wrote:

If you don't give a penalty to a driver who drives into the side of another driver, who is at the absolute edge of the track, and pushes him off the track, what are you supposed to penalise?

He didn't "drive into him", that makes it sound like a deliberate act of pushing someone off the road. He made a mistake by driving like an idiot who thinks he owns the racetrack.

For me, driving mistakes should not be penalised by the officials, only deliberate unsportsman conducts have to. They have black/white flags for this, why don't they use them anymore? What happened in this late years that we've seen an exploding number of investigations after racing collisions? It's not like everyone started driving like a lunatic, we see the same incidents we've seen in past history. That's racing.

I still believe this particular penalty is valid, but only because I believe that driver is an idiot, and secondly because of the repeated offences in past races. But if it was a single incident from a driver who usually respects his peers, it should not warrant a penalty.

SBan83 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:20 am

coldtyre wrote:

I still believe this particular penalty is valid, but only because I believe that driver is an idiot, and secondly because of the repeated offences in past races. But if it was a single incident from a driver who usually respects his peers, it should not warrant a penalty.

Agreed.

Tobias · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:02 am

kals wrote:

ellis wrote:

Michael also said on the radio he turned the engine off because that's what you do on aborted starts. Clearly things have changed since he last did one and he wasn't up to date. So there's 2 clashing excuses. Both can't be right.

The currect procedure has been in place from 2005 I believe.

that's correct. And it was immediately put into practice when Raikkonen stalled on the grid in Melbourne that year.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 8:08 am

I think a few drivers forgot what to do because I don't recall an aborted start since Massa stalled at Silverstone in 2007. You could see Charlie frantically waving Lewis on.

Omega · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:53 am

Sandeep Banerjee wrote:

coldtyre wrote:

I still believe this particular penalty is valid, but only because I believe that driver is an idiot, and secondly because of the repeated offences in past races. But if it was a single incident from a driver who usually respects his peers, it should not warrant a penalty.

Agreed.

Agreed

After several warnings, it is time he gets punished for every small offense.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:16 pm

coldtyre wrote:

He didn't "drive into him", that makes it sound like a deliberate act of pushing someone off the road. He made a mistake by driving like an idiot who thinks he owns the racetrack.

The point being is that Maldonado did little to avoid hitting Di Resta. That's not to say he did it deliberately but it was downright clumsy. Maldonado went to take the racing line, even though Di Resta was still on it.

coldtyre wrote:

I still believe this particular penalty is valid, but only because I believe that driver is an idiot, and secondly because of the repeated offences in past races. But if it was a single incident from a driver who usually respects his peers, it should not warrant a penalty.

Agreed

cookie · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:19 pm

The reason for the aborted start apparantly was Schumacher lining up in 19th grid slot instead if in position 17. This meant the whole grid behind him was out of order. What a rookie mistake

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:21 pm

cookie wrote:

The reason for the aborted start apparantly was Schumacher lining up in 19th grid slot instead if in position 17. This meant the whole grid behind him was out of order. What a rookie mistake

I posted that yesterday.

Tobias · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:28 pm

certainly one of Michael's finest races, along with China 2005.

gd49 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:47 pm

kals wrote:

coldtyre wrote:

He didn't "drive into him", that makes it sound like a deliberate act of pushing someone off the road. He made a mistake by driving like an idiot who thinks he owns the racetrack.

The point being is that Maldonado did little to avoid hitting Di Resta. That's not to say he did it deliberately but it was downright clumsy. Maldonado went to take the racing line, even though Di Resta was still on it.

coldtyre wrote:

I still believe this particular penalty is valid, but only because I believe that driver is an idiot, and secondly because of the repeated offences in past races. But if it was a single incident from a driver who usually respects his peers, it should not warrant a penalty.

Agreed

Maldanodo oversteered into Di resta, he didn't choose to take the racing line, it was just unfortunate that by the time Maldanodo caught the car he'd hit Di resta. I agree with the penalty given Maldanodo's past form, but the contact was not deliberate.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 1:55 pm

Where do I say it was deliberate? If Maldonado wasn't trying to take the racing line, then what was he doing?

gd49 · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 6:42 pm

kals wrote:

Where do I say it was deliberate? If Maldonado wasn't trying to take the racing line, then what was he doing?

It looked to me like he was going for the inside, then oversteered and hit Di Resta as he was correcting the slide. If he had maintained control of his car, I think his intention would have been to be on the inside of Di Resta to make the overtake.

kals · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:30 pm

That makes no sense nor does it answer one of my questions.

Let's assume Maldonado did keep control of his car and exit the corner side by side with Di Resta, he would have been on the outside going into the following corner. Therefore, advantage Di Resta.

ellis · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 7:35 pm

It doesn't really matter whether it was on purpose or not, because he was going to get a penalty anyway. If he did it on purpose then he'd get a penalty for hitting another car. If he didn't do it on purpose then it was about time he was punished for driving like a tool. And now that they have decided that it's about time to try and put a stop to Pastors Wheel of Fuck You, expect him to get a penalty the next time he hits somewhere too.

Neil · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:26 pm

The clock struck six.

Schumifan · PostPosted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 11:32 pm

Interested to see exactly what happens when it strikes 10.

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