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Magnussen got a better celebration for his pole, than Verstappen had for his title at Suzuka

Whole lap? I think Hulkenberg dropped to 3rd after Senna 'S' in 2010. If Magnussen does better than that, it's a feat.

Oh yeah, definitely. I'm just saying we can't expect much in the race.

I'm actually curious to the answer to this.

Me too. I already checked many pairs (like Irvine-Schumacher, Massa-Schumacher, Kimi-Massa, Kimi-Montoya, Häkkinen-Coulthard etc.) and found none.

And just looking through the qualifying results doesn't always give explanation for the last place. Usually it's safe to assume it was due to a penalty or crash/mechanical failure.

I'm doing my research here, please wait a while. I'll not count the Indy 500 or results where the team entered just one car

found many interesting results yet

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I assume we're excluding post-qualifying penalties?

Yes. There are many such occasions (like Abu Dhabi 2019). Also being disqualified doesn't count (like Magny-Cours 1996). Or not setting time at all.
But as I said, it's difficult to find real details when we go to the 1980s, 1970s and so on.

closest I have found so far is Suzuka 2005 - R Schumacher pole, Trulli back row no time (not last) and he started from the pits

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Amazing.

Ferrari with a near master stroke, but did it 5 min too early.

Result: clownshow

alright I did some quick research and I'm not counting privateers (which ran different chassis or engines), post race penalties, mechanical failures during qualifying, crashes, etc.

I am counting those who were qualified and stayed ahead of other drivers that didn't qualified (so counting for the starting grid), again for the reasons of the privateers and those teams that entered just one car for obvious reasons

so we have:

-1956 British GP at Silverstone. Moss on pole, Jack Brabham on final spot with a Maserati (28 starters)
-1957 Argentine GP at Buenos Aires. Moss on pole, and Luigi Piotti last with Maseratis (14 starters)
-1958 Argentine GP at Buenos Aires. Fangio on pole, and Horace Gould dead last, with Maseratis (10 cars starting)
-1959 British GP at Aintree where Brabham was the pole and Mike Taylor started 24th, both driving Cooper Climax

those 4 could have drivers from different teams but they were running the same cars

there are many instances where cars were entered from the same team but one was F1 and the other was F2, forfaits and withdrawals and in the modern era, after privateers could not enter races anymore we have some exceptions like Verstappen winning the sprint in Silverstone/2021 and Perez having issues, thus both having pole and last, Monaco 2016 where Ricciardo managed to get pole and Verstappen had the worst time in Q1 (but wasn't last as Nasr wasn't able to take part in Q1 with engine problems)

of course back when Lotus, March, Tyrrell and Brabham sold their old cars to privateers this number increase sensibly but could have been modified by the new entrant to fit new engine or parts

so that's it, in the modern era of the sport (in which rules specify you must build your own car and enter 2 per race) is the first time that had happened. Congratulations to Haas for this amazing feat

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Some avatar potential, I see

Thanks for the detailed answer. Simply amazing it is the first time this really happened. Of course it could have happened before, for example if Kimi had been on pole at Spa in 2009. That would have been even in dry conditions.

Maybe if F1 ditches superlicense rules and Red Bull does a publicity stunt by replacing Perez with a W Series driver, then we'll have a repeat of yesterday

I guess that statistic tells more about the drivers than the teams

while doing my search I found that pairing of fairly distinct drivers like Fittipaldi and Dave Walker wasn't enough given the amount of privateers and garage based teams. Then after that era it was simply impossible to see a result like that because there was only 26 spots on the grid for sometimes more than 30 cars, the 107% rule that prevented doing that without being precise and only now that the differences are decreasing among teams that we could see some abnormalities

of course we must thank Russell and the weather, things like that cannot happen in places like Abu Dhabi and Bahrain

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If this was pre-2020 Magnussen, my money would be on him leading lap 1 at least, and a car flying off track on top if him.

But 2022 Magnussen is another man. He races fair and doesn't block dirty anymore.

Fuck. I just realized this scenario is good enough to not boycott the sprint race.

He is meatball champion for a reason.

I found two examples in 1981 where the other driver didn't qualify. Long Beach had Patrese on pole and Siegfried Stohr DNQ and Monaco had Piquet on pole and Hector Rebaque DNQ.