2017 F1 Random Discussion Thread

ptclaus98 · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:06 am

RtN wrote:

I don't think it would be possible to put the aero genie back in the bottle short of mandating spec wings and bodywork, which would not be F1.

So don't try. Instead, tell the engine builders to make their engines as powerful as possible. BMW could get 1500bhp out of their quali specials 30 (three-zero) years ago. Why couldn't any manufacturer do the same today for a long-life engine using hybrid technology?

If the power goes up to a point where the aero can't handle it then the cars become difficult to drive again by default. No longer will the FIA have to try and peel downforce off the cars only for the likes of Newey and Byrne to claim it all back plus interest within 3 years.

Ban aerofoil wings. And if you dont want to go that far, have a two aerofoil front, and one aerofoil in the rear, and enforce the rules.

Philthy82 · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:14 am

Then they'll add wings to other areas, or things that don't technically qualify as wings, or other clever aero design details costing billions in wind tunnel testing and potentially creating just as much dirty air. Keep chasing that and you'll end up with a spec body series, and it doesn't sound like you'd be very keen on that.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:19 am

Metzo wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

What is it with the old Hockenheim that everybody seems to want back? It was never a track that produced thrilling racing except for 1996 and 2000 (wet). It tended to be Noah's Ark race since drivers made next to no difference and it was all engines. If it were around today, it would probably be the worst race of the year.

The new one is a good track in its own right, offers ample places to pass and produces good racing.

if you grew up with the original hockenheimring you would miss it, it may not be the greatest track of all time, but it was special.

it never produced thrilling racing? guess you only watch f1, other racing series had plenty of thrilling races there.

Now you mention other categories, DTM wasn't too bad

webbsy · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:02 am

The frustrating thing as a 20+ year fan of the sport is that I can see both arguments and am torn between them both.

In an ideal world the rules should be like mentioned before. Here is a fuel flow limit etc knock your socks off and design what ever you want.

But realistically as pointed out manufacturers would blow a billion + $$ on something that most likely wouldn't pan out, and they would pull out and leave the sport well and truly up shit creek.

Why can't there be a happy medium??

The only way I could see that happy medium happening is if the FIA as part of an agreement to participate subjected the manufacturers to a strict itemized budget cap on spending to be audited yearly by the FIA against the companies official financial fillings etc with x amount of penalties to be applied if they broke the budget cap...

But then I can't for the life of me see the manufacturers signing a legally binding document that would do that...

racer612008 · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 10:11 am

Speaking of engines.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 55986.html

Hope they do get rid of the hybrid system in 2021 for sure. 1000+ HP would be cool too :flag:

Omega · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:08 am

Jos Verstappen has been in a fight in a bar. Again.

Article in Dutch: http://www.f1journaal.be/index.php/nieu ... caferuzie/

Most of the article is a summary of his short temper in the past.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 12:55 pm

racer612008 wrote:

1000+ HP would be cool too :flag:

Mercedes & Ferrari are said to already be at 1000Bhp with the current power unit.

vince · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:12 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

Metzo wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

What is it with the old Hockenheim that everybody seems to want back? It was never a track that produced thrilling racing except for 1996 and 2000 (wet). It tended to be Noah's Ark race since drivers made next to no difference and it was all engines. If it were around today, it would probably be the worst race of the year.

The new one is a good track in its own right, offers ample places to pass and produces good racing.

if you grew up with the original hockenheimring you would miss it, it may not be the greatest track of all time, but it was special.

it never produced thrilling racing? guess you only watch f1, other racing series had plenty of thrilling races there.

Now you mention other categories, DTM wasn't too bad

Or 500/250/125cc bike gps or wsbk, they were nuts.

vince · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:12 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

Metzo wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

What is it with the old Hockenheim that everybody seems to want back? It was never a track that produced thrilling racing except for 1996 and 2000 (wet). It tended to be Noah's Ark race since drivers made next to no difference and it was all engines. If it were around today, it would probably be the worst race of the year.

The new one is a good track in its own right, offers ample places to pass and produces good racing.

if you grew up with the original hockenheimring you would miss it, it may not be the greatest track of all time, but it was special.

it never produced thrilling racing? guess you only watch f1, other racing series had plenty of thrilling races there.

Now you mention other categories, DTM wasn't too bad

Or 500/250/125cc bike gps or wsbk, they were nuts.

vince · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:12 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

Metzo wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

What is it with the old Hockenheim that everybody seems to want back? It was never a track that produced thrilling racing except for 1996 and 2000 (wet). It tended to be Noah's Ark race since drivers made next to no difference and it was all engines. If it were around today, it would probably be the worst race of the year.

The new one is a good track in its own right, offers ample places to pass and produces good racing.

if you grew up with the original hockenheimring you would miss it, it may not be the greatest track of all time, but it was special.

it never produced thrilling racing? guess you only watch f1, other racing series had plenty of thrilling races there.

Now you mention other categories, DTM wasn't too bad

Or 500/250/125cc bike gps or wsbk, they were nuts.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:59 pm

ptclaus98 wrote:

Ferrari isn't going anywhere. Someone will replace the others, especially if the formula isn't so restricted. People watched when it was Ferrari vs a field of Ford Cosworths.

and lots of people confirm that was the best age of F1 racing, you could race sideways and still be fast

micha · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 3:57 pm

And even if Ferrari would leave people would still watch. F1 had viewers when 90's Ferrari was about as good and reliable as current McLaren-Honda.

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:03 pm

Tifosi are already on the wane, it won't really effect things if Ferrari throw a hissy fit and leave just because they lose their 'historical' payment.

kals · PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:31 am

Fabs · PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 2:00 pm

sennadesillva · PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:45 pm

i actually laughed out loud hahaha that was great

webbsy · PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 4:23 am

With Honda and McLaren grabbing the headlines of disappointment Red Bull have seriously been let off the hook. I like everybody else was expecting a mega Red Bull, but that chassis looks soo underwhelming compared to what it was built up as it was going to be.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:43 am

Quote:

After 19 years, it has been announced that this year’s Grand Prix in Malaysia is to be the country’s last. The decision was taken jointly by Formula 1 and Sepang International Circuit (SIC).

Shame to see it go, a nice track which put on great racing.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/head ... ewell.html

StefMeister · PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 6:46 am

Shame as I think thats probably the best track Tilke's come up with.

Istanbul was good, I think Korea & India were good & I'm quite fond of Bahrain & China. However Sepang has a much better flow, A more varied mix of corners & is probably the most traditional/old school style circuit of the lot.

JJ · PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 7:08 am

StefMeister wrote:

Shame as I think thats probably the best track Tilke's come up with.

Exactly. It has great surroundings, lots of gravel, no smog, and nice profile.

A big loss for the F1 calendar. I'd rather have 2 races at Sepang than see Paul Ricard returning. Hopefully Liberty Media will give Imola and Nürburgring a race for 2018 without requiring them to pay any money.

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