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What's going to be the biggest surprise of 2016 season?
Ferrari beats Mercedes 11%  11%  [ 9 ]
Williams will stay 3rd in standings 14%  14%  [ 11 ]
McLaren Honda gets podium 37%  37%  [ 29 ]
No wet races 9%  9%  [ 7 ]
Maldonado and Palmer are incredibly reliable and scores in every race 5%  5%  [ 4 ]
People will not complain how boring it is 8%  8%  [ 6 ]
It isn't actually boring at all 16%  16%  [ 13 ]
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:44 am 
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Or a good thing for Button, since Vandoorne will (perhaps) take his seat anyway. :D

I hope it happens, I think Button has still got it and it would be nice to see how Bottas will do next to him.


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Button is worthless beside Alonso. The guy can be unbeatablein a great car, but in am average car, he is nowhere. And all this crap about his experience helpi.g the team help forward. Well, Mclaren is still nowhere, so great references there.

He is still good for sponsors. If it wasn't for Brawn, he would have been long gone. Same goes for Massa. They're not racers, they drive to points. They're far from hungry.


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Button does at least have the rather dubious honour of the last McLaren win :lol:

That team is in a worse state than the mid 1990's and its not all Honda. They haven't been building great cars, even with the Mercedes engines.


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McLaren's trials and tribulations all stem from one trigger event, and essentially it is all Lewis' fault. Had it not been for the incident at the 2009 Australian GP then Dave Ryan wouldn't have been sacked, Ron Dennis wouldn't have been forced to step down and put Martin Whitmarsh in charge, which in turn introduced Sam Michael to the team, and the team went into free fall with car performance, reliability and driver management.

Well done Lewis. Well done.

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:lol:

But didn't Ron Dennis already step down in 2008 after Lewis' WDC? I always thought he wanted to leave on a high with at least the WDC.


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Mika Kimi wrote:
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But didn't Ron Dennis already step down in 2008 after Lewis' WDC? I always thought he wanted to leave on a high with at least the WDC.

Wasn't Ron's retirement part of the Stepney-gate under Max Mosley? Which of course was also caused by Lewis, as FIA stewards saw him eating pasta in the McLaren hospitality area and deducted that McLaren must have some Italian knowledge, leading them straight to the copy shop?


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don't forget that lack of intensive testing is not helping McLaren fortunes as they excel in car development during the season and they can't do that anymore

maybe a call to Gordon Murray could sort that out

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But didn't Ron Dennis already step down in 2008 after Lewis' WDC? I always thought he wanted to leave on a high with at least the WDC.

Wasn't Ron's retirement part of the Stepney-gate under Max Mosley? Which of course was also caused by Lewis, as FIA stewards saw him eating pasta in the McLaren hospitality area and deducted that McLaren must have some Italian knowledge, leading them straight to the copy shop?


Dennis stepped down shortly after the Malaysian GP in 2009 - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motors ... Laren.html

The story goes that he stepped down to concentrate on the McLaren road car business, but the supposed reality is that Mosley forced Dennis to relinquish control of the F1 team as a punishment for the shenanigans of Australia (on top of previous misdemeanors).

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Button is worthless beside Alonso. The guy can be unbeatablein a great car, but in am average car, he is nowhere. And all this crap about his experience helpi.g the team help forward. Well, Mclaren is still nowhere, so great references there.

He is still good for sponsors. If it wasn't for Brawn, he would have been long gone. Same goes for Massa. They're not racers, they drive to points. They're far from hungry.




Button and Massa both need to go. They've passed their prime a long time ago and had nothing else to give than complaints about how dangerous racing is. Both claimed that Baku was a huge step backwards in terms of safety while it's done by the same guy who's designed nearly every single track in the calendar. Both are always complaing about speeds and run-off areas and what ever. Bad publicity. If you think it's too dangerous, then it's time to retire. Both probably voted for a halo-screen combination with two meters wide closed cockpit and for less powerful cars.

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The Sam Michael effect is still being felt by McLaren for sure.


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mclaren2008 wrote:
The Sam Michael effect is still being felt by McLaren for sure.


Even more so by Williams

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Button needs to stay so he can try and break the record for the longest career in F1

Also Williams still owes him a year or two on his contract after the whole court case fiasco in 2002/2003 :lol:

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The Sam Michael effect is still being felt by McLaren for sure.


Even more so by Williams


And they both hired him with their eyes open so guess they deserved it, especially McLaren as he had already showcased his incompetence at Williams :slaphead: .


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never understand the point of racing for a long time without a motivation for victories. Patrese at least ended his career in teams that were winning, but Button is just wasting a seat as he can't develop neither the car or himself

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I never understood the notion fans have that this is work for drivers

We'd all trade our lives right now to do what Button does, maybe he just enjoys driving the best cars in the world (debate this later plz :p ) and knows he is closer to the end of his career than the beginning so wants to enjoy every single moment he can, regardless of competitiveness.
And who knows, there may be a wet race or other circumstance where he can squeak a good performance now and then too.

Like drivers or hate drivers, but don't deny that driving F1 is a massively fortunate experience and it's some kind of hell just because your car isn't a front runner.

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nevermind, just forgot for a moment how much he earns for that :p

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For once I agree with Alain Prost.

http://www.espn.co.uk/f1/story/_/id/164 ... e-coverage

Basically the TV angles made the cars look boring, and the onboard cameras are too good, don't convey sense of speed. Would be interesting to have 1 onboard camera without a stabilizer to see just how much it changes the sense of speed.


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TV angles would be 1000% better if they didn't care about showing trackside sponsors. It's kinda silly that Bernievision did that (angles showed the action, not sponsors), but nowadays nearly everyone have to pay for F1, yet they still have the same sponsorship-filled coverage as when things were FTA. I have paid for not seeing ads during my F1 race, so why should I see them on FOM's coverage? How much more must I pay for trackside ad-free coverage?


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LucasWheldon wrote:
never understand the point of racing for a long time without a motivation for victories. Patrese at least ended his career in teams that were winning, but Button is just wasting a seat as he can't develop neither the car or himself


huh? It is their life, why should he stop? Even if he is slower each year. I played football until I was 39 years old. I was far from my 'hight' when I was in my 20s off course.

As long a team wants Button then I see no reason why he wouldn't go to that team. Whether it is good for the team or for the fans is another question.


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you played professionally? awesome

I understand they do what they like but some drivers just get fed up with it. Nelson Piquet was one of those, he said the worst thing is running up front and the suddenly you were sharing corners and starting races with Andrea de Cesaris on his side

EDIT: http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2016/06/23/e ... -calendar/

chopping traditional races is not the best way to do this...

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