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PostPosted: Thu Dec 03, 2015 12:17 pm 
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How could I have missed these. 8O


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Sauber Petronas

Was the Mercedes engine in the 93-94 Saubee not an Illmor?


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In 1998 Arrows actually made their own engine, which was actually a Hart but badged in the team's name


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Was the Mercedes engine in the 93-94 Saubee not an Illmor?


Yes. Mercedes hedged their bets by having it called that in the event of it being shit, and putting 'Concept by Mercedes-Benz' on the engine cover.


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F-Zero on the way...

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122111

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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117711

Throw in the Red Bull Gran Turismo cars, and it's looking suitably mad!


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2015 model best driver ranking. Quite interesting, so I thought I might share it here.
https://f1metrics.wordpress.com/2015/12 ... -rankings/


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they should join these tires regulations with tire blanket ban, let the drivers do the job

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I just read the new tyre rules.
I really really tried to understand wich one and what and i couldnt
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2015/12/03/p ... will-work/

F1 is making itself so complicated rules that not even FIA himself understands what they have accepted


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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122120

It would be about time, Renault dragging their heels way too long over the deal.


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The new tyre rules "explained"

I still can't understand why they make it so complicated. Why does Pirelli have to chose a set the teams have to use?


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urgh it would be so much easier if they said 'we're taking 5 compounds to each race, we pick one, you pick the other, you get 6 sets of our choice, 6 of yours, bth must be used in the race and you make them last the weekend'.


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Gaara wrote:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122120

It would be about time, Renault dragging their heels way too long over the deal.


Ok now to nullify the 2016 contracts of Loldonado and Palmface and that'll be perfect.

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Chritian Horner on the BBC just how.

"We have an engine for next year we'll have to wait & see what its called, I think it will be quite good but I don't think Ron Dennis will be very happy".


That could mean one of two things.

The first is that Honda's first V6 engine was allegedly quite good - much better than what they eventually made. The problems have mostly arisen because McLaren asked them to make a 'size zero' engine very late on to try and fit in with a very minimalist aero package (Prodromou is a disciple of Newey, do not forget), and in the process of trying to shrink the engine something went wrong and it stopped working properly. The rest is now (very funny) history. So, maybe Honda gave Red Bull, or a Red Bull-linked third party (Mario Illen) the design for that first engine, Illen has worked his magic and, because it is being registered by either Red Bull or Illen Automotive or another company not called Honda, they can run it separately from the 'size zero' Honda and could be very competitive.

Or it could mean that they have another engine, possibly the Renault with Illen's rejected upgrades, and Ron will be unhappy because it the engine will be called TAG.

Or maybe the two statements are unrelated - Ron Dennis is a miserable bastard who is never very happy, and Red Bull's new engine will have nothing to do with it.


Sounding like option B.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122114

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Fabs wrote:
The new tyre rules "explained"

I still can't understand why they make it so complicated. Why does Pirelli have to chose a set the teams have to use?

It still has contradictory stuff in it, so far from being an explanation....


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Renault announces return to Formula 1 in 2016
December 03, 2015 | ID: 73985
Renault announces return to Formula 1 in 2016

Carlos Ghosn announces his decision that Renault will return to Formula 1 with its own team for 2016 season.
Renault, 12-time Constructors’ Champion with nearly 40 years in the sport, is an iconic brand in Formula 1 and intends to play an active role in the sport’s development.
F1 is a technology showcase and accelerates development of Renault’s innovation and range of sports cars.


Following the September announcement of the signing of a Letter of Intent with Lotus, teams at Renault continued to evaluate the possibility of a return to Formula 1. Particular attention was paid to competing successfully with its own team in a financially sound way starting in 2016.

“Renault had two options: to come back at 100 percent or leave. After a detailed study, I have decided that Renault will be in Formula 1, starting 2016. The final details supplied by F1’s main stakeholders gave us the confidence to accept this new challenge. Our ambition is to win--even if it will take some time,” said Carlos Ghosn, Chairman and CEO, Renault.

As a full team, Renault will take maximum benefit from its victories. The payback as an engine supplier proved to be limited. The return on the investment necessitated by the new engine regulations and the return in terms of image were low.

Work continues on finalizing the terms of the acquisition of the Lotus F1 Team in the shortest timeframe possible. The principal contracts were signed on December 3, 2015. The Lotus F1 Team effectively stands out as the best partner. Renault and Lotus F1 have known each other for 15 years and were world champions together in 2005 and 2006.

Renault has had uninterrupted involvement in Formula 1 for almost 40 years. In 1977, it revolutionised the championship with the introduction of turbocharging, a technique that soon became the norm in the sport. Renault has since taken part in more than 600 grand prix, claiming 168 race wins, 12 Constructors’ titles and 11 Drivers’ crowns.

Renault’s decision to continue its involvement in Formula 1 is confirmation that it sees motorsport as an essential part of the brand’s identity. Formula 1 is the ultimate symbol of the passion for automobiles. Passion defines Renault as expressed by its brand signature, ‘Passion for Life’. In addition to attracting many customers, Formula 1 also fuels employee motivation. As the pinnacle of motor sport, Formula 1 demands technological and operational excellence. The championship serves as a showcase for the technological expertise that Renault dials into its products for the benefit of its customers.

Formula 1 is a means for Renault to accelerate development and remain at the forefront of the sport’s technological progress. It simultaneously allows Renault to build bridges between the advanced technologies seen in the world championship and its road cars, particularly in the fields of electric and hybrid vehicles. Consistent with its commitment to F1, Renault will develop its R.S. range by stepping up investment in order to be active on every continent and in even more segments with vehicles that meet the needs of their different markets.

Formula 1 serves to promote awareness of the Renault brand and its image in all its markets across the world. Formula 1 is one of the sports that enjoys the most media coverage worldwide thanks to a following on five continents, particularly in emerging markets. It attracts 450 million television viewers annually and its scope for growth is enormous thanks to opportunities founded on new technologies, social networks, video games, etc. that have yet to be fully exploited.

In January, we will provide more detailed information about Renault’s F1 programme ahead of the 2016 championship that begins next March.


The Renault press bulletin is a joke. They come and go whenever they want, spit F1 in the face when they leave and come back acting as if they are F1's saviour. I used to believe Renault is a constructor that belongs in F1 but after all the shenanigans the last sell-out and now re-acquiring the team after months of b*llshit going round I rather see them have a season like McLaren had this year :yuk: .


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Maldonado and Palmer, what a terrible line-up for a factory team.


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Fish88 wrote:
Maldonado and Palmer, what a terrible line-up for a factory team.



2016 will be a joke anyways for the team. Nothing more than a transition year. Looking at how many times they got locked out of the pit for their debts there is No way in hell they spent a half decent amount of money on their 2016 car. And there is a slimmer chance Renault can make up for that in the next few months.

And with the new aero rules for 2017 you only need about half a brain cell to expect them to focus on that 100%.


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It might not be too bad, there is relative stability in the technical rules between this year and next. But its not the best driver lineup, so this could contribute to barely scraping points each race.


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Has Lotus/Renault officially ditched the Mercedes engine? I'm not reading anything about it. :beard:


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its now official, Red Bull are going to be powered by a "Tag Heuer" engine next year


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