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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 6:06 pm 
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i cant find it but im sure someone knows, what was Arie Luyendyk's top speed during his run? not quickest lap but top speed at the end of the straights?
Don't know about on the qualifying run but he says he was hitting 243mph when he set an even faster lap (239.260mph) in practice.
http://www.motorsportretro.com/2012/05/ ... -luyendyk/


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Man, this is just more gruesome each time more details are revealed.

Given the angles and anatomy mentioned, I really hope the wishbone missed his...private region. That's an extra level of misery I can't imagine.


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Oh don't even go there eeeeeekkkkkk


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i cant find it but im sure someone knows, what was Arie Luyendyk's top speed during his run? not quickest lap but top speed at the end of the straights?
Don't know about on the qualifying run but he says he was hitting 243mph when he set an even faster lap (239.260mph) in practice.
http://www.motorsportretro.com/2012/05/ ... -luyendyk/

For comparison's sake... I also know that the pushrod Mercedes/Illmor motors in the Penskes in 1994 resulted in some serious top end speeds. They had to back off the throttle early in practice to avoid letting USAC see just how fast they were to avoid getting their boost reduced before raceday. They were hitting 250mph trap speeds if they actually ran full throttle the entire straightaway. And the fastest trap speed ever recorded in IndyCar/CART/IRL was Paul Tracy in 1996 at Michigan in the draft heading into turn 1... 256mph. :8:


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http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116939-indy-500-hinchcliffe-saved-from-serious-injuries

Damn,


Ouch.

Back in the late 80/90's we had a spate of similar incidents in formula ford & first where the wishbones penetrated the chassis and essentially stabbed the driver, leading to quiet a few people getting hurt with similar injuries, back then the fix was to put an additional horizontal bar between the two wishbone legs on the outside of the chassis which made the wishbone less arrow like, after that happened, no more leg injuries even if a few of us got close.

If Indycar is as serious about safety as they appear to be, they could get this done for Sunday, one guy at Van Diemen managed to modify 60 wishbones in a few days, they were sent out and we were told, fit them or you don't race. If they cut the bullshit, they could get them done for carb day.


Helps that the factory is about 1/4 of a mile away from the track as well.

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It depends if they think simply about it, I remember everybody slapping their heads at the time and saying why didn't we think of that before? It was such a simple fix but focus was elsewhere in the design of the cars and it got overlooked.


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Chris A wrote:
Man, this is just more gruesome each time more details are revealed.

Given the angles and anatomy mentioned, I really hope the wishbone missed his...private region. That's an extra level of misery I can't imagine.


I was thinking the same thing, man... I'm almost trembling from reading that article, because holy shit, that was a close call.

Here's hoping "Little Hinch" is okay too. :8:


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Gaara wrote:
http://www.racer.com/indycar/item/116939-indy-500-hinchcliffe-saved-from-serious-injuries

Damn,



Christ, that explains a lot of the concerns about safety after a crash that didn't seem so worrying at the beginning. I'm really glad he has made it tru surgery then. Oh my gosh. Thank god we don't have suspension or tyre failures more often at this track. Even if there isn't perforation of the life cell, 125Gs is not something you want to have to any one.


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StefMeister wrote:
sennadesillva wrote:
i cant find it but im sure someone knows, what was Arie Luyendyk's top speed during his run? not quickest lap but top speed at the end of the straights?
Don't know about on the qualifying run but he says he was hitting 243mph when he set an even faster lap (239.260mph) in practice.
http://www.motorsportretro.com/2012/05/ ... -luyendyk/

For comparison's sake... I also know that the pushrod Mercedes/Illmor motors in the Penskes in 1994 resulted in some serious top end speeds. They had to back off the throttle early in practice to avoid letting USAC see just how fast they were to avoid getting their boost reduced before raceday. They were hitting 250mph trap speeds if they actually ran full throttle the entire straightaway. And the fastest trap speed ever recorded in IndyCar/CART/IRL was Paul Tracy in 1996 at Michigan in the draft heading into turn 1... 256mph. :8:


http://www.trackforum.com/forums/showth ... ds-at-indy

This thread on TrackForum, started by Arie's engineer in '96, Tim Wardrop, goes into detail as to how quick Arie was. Also discusses fudging dyno numbers, pop-off valves and more.

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Nice!

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The Penske Ilmor/merc of 1994, reportedly had approx 1200 h.p with trap speeds in the 250 mph range. If the chassis was as good as the engine, this should have resulted in lap speeds of approx 244 mph. The qualifying speed was 228 mph.


In my opinion the reason that Penske failed to qualify in 1995 was that the car did not have the h.p to make up for the chassis dificiencies which they should have noticed. The qualifying speed was 228 mph i.e, the speed split should have been around 5 m.ph and not 22 mph.

When the 1995 Penske cars where fitted with "conventional" H.P, the rest is history.


Pinch of salt, please. The Penske drivers have come up with many excuses, but I incline to trust Beast more than this.


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Beast was such a great book. I highly recommend it!


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Beast claims 970 to 1024bhp for the Merc 500I, and trap speeds at 248. But lap times not much faster than what we've had in 2015. And 1994 was a pretty safe year.

Shouldn't something be learned from that? They're crashing in the turns, they're taking air on exit - make the cornering speeds lower then?


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From memory, Sneva, Mario and Jeff Andretti, Emmo, Crawford, Mears, Brian Bonner and Vasser all went to Methodist on Race Day '92.


And sent jovy Marcello to the grave in practice that year.


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make the cars prone to oversteer, once they get used to that profile everything is ok

and I can't believe that Penske was with an awful chassis in 1994, since they were very sucessful through the season without the 500l

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From what I remember from Beast, the '94 Penske struggled with handling with the massively powerful pushrod engine in it. That motor created an insane amount of torque compared to the standard engine they ran the rest of the season. The torque was so high that the car really squatted back on the rear tires on throttle, then the weight shifted far forward when they left off the gas for corner entry. The extra torque also placed extra load on the tires and made tire wear a concern.


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Gaara wrote:
Plus I don't remember LMP's getting this much stick when they had all those take off's.


They got plenty of stick. The main difference though is the LMPs were racing on tracks with run off areas - the cars weren't as likely to go straight into a fence/the crowd.


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James Hinchcliffe is improving as he remains in stable condition following surgery yesterday at IU Health Methodist Hospital for an injury to his pelvic area and upper left thigh. Hinchcliffe is undergoing further evaluations in the Intensive Care Unit and has been ruled out of Verizon IndyCar Series competition for the foreseeable future


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It sucks very much that one my favorite drivers are out of the race, just as I am on my way over there. Will have more than a few Hinchtown Hammerdowns in his honor while I'm in Indianapolis.

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Upper left thigh? He hit with the right :-S


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