2014 Random F1 Discussion

Fish88 · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:02 pm

I don't think Renault is that slow. Just tuned down, so the teams can at least make some mileage.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:10 pm

phil1993 wrote:

AMuS is reporting the top speeds of each power units from today:
Ferrari (Alonso) - 336.4km/h
Mercedes (Magnussen) - 330.2km/h
Renault (Vergne) - 308.5km/h

They also say Vettel & Kobayashi maxed out at 301km/h.

Considering Red Bull have been far down the top speed charts for the past few seasons I'm not sure how relevant this information is.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:17 pm

Fish88 wrote:

I don't think Renault is that slow. Just tuned down, so the teams can at least make some mileage.

aka 'We built an engine that will blow up if it goes at the same speed as our competitors'.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:30 pm

RtN wrote:

Fish88 wrote:

I don't think Renault is that slow. Just tuned down, so the teams can at least make some mileage.

aka 'We built an engine that will blow up if it goes at the same speed as our competitors'.

Autosport.com wrote:

Red Bull's Friday F1 test issues not Renault's fault - Ricciardo

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112605

Fish88 · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:34 pm

RtN wrote:

Fish88 wrote:

I don't think Renault is that slow. Just tuned down, so the teams can at least make some mileage.

aka 'We built an engine that will blow up if it goes at the same speed as our competitors'.

Yeah sure. But renault has enough experience to solve this, this year is probably lost. But I'm sure they aren't sitting still over there.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:40 pm

kals wrote:

RtN wrote:

Fish88 wrote:

I don't think Renault is that slow. Just tuned down, so the teams can at least make some mileage.

aka 'We built an engine that will blow up if it goes at the same speed as our competitors'.

Autosport.com wrote:

Red Bull's Friday F1 test issues not Renault's fault - Ricciardo

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112605

I thought we'd already established that Red Bull have their own, separate, issues?

This is about Renault's ongoing catastrofuck.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:45 pm

We've already established Renault issues as well right? So why are we going around in circles (no pun intended) with this continuous bitchfest when the season hasn't yet started?

Three weeks ago...
- The cars are too slow
- The cars are too unreliable
- F1 2014 is ruined

Now
- Speed is improving
- Reliability is improving
- Renault has solved some of their issues
- Red Bull has identified some of their own issues
- Some Renault teams have completed many laps

The point I'm making is that time will solve these issues. As the above shows.

StanV · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:27 pm

kals wrote:

- Red Bull has identified some of their own issues
- Some Renault teams have completed many laps

TERRIBLE. VETTEL DOMINANCE CONTINUES

Artur Craft · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:53 pm

sebbl wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

Down to a 34.2 now. That's only 2 secs off last year's pole time.

Without DRS, without full revs, with only 11 cars to rubber the track...

with 11 cars rubbering the track for the entire day, during 3 days

How do you know they are not using DRS and/or full revs?

Remember the testing sessions just after the Bahrain GP where Ricciardo was something like 2,5s faster than the pole setted by Vettel a couple of days earlier?!

That said, the AMUS figures almost confirms that the power is much bigger now. The top speed of Bahrain's qualifying was 314, 22kmh shy of what Ferrari engines cars achieved today

Monza's top speed last year was 340kmh, I guess will see the +360kmh figures again

docronzo · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:59 pm

Will they continue using DRS after all?

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:00 pm

Renault's issues aren't properly established, though. They put it about after the first test that their problems would be a reasonably simple fix. That was bollocks. And now this week there's some more reality.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112590

StefMeister · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:24 pm

Paul Hembrey said on Sky that the thermal degredation is about half what we saw last year & wear is vastly better.

He said there aiming more for 2 stops & that Pirelli have worked (He feel's successfully) on decreasing the amount of marbles that ends up off the racing line this year.

Sutil's saying there doing 330Kph down the main straght.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:30 pm

RtN wrote:

Renault's issues aren't properly established, though. They put it about after the first test that their problems would be a reasonably simple fix. That was bollocks. And now this week there's some more reality.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112590

Well if you want to go tit for tat then Red Bull's issues aren't properly established either. After all, today's issue was new and not related to those of Jerez and Seb said on Wednesday that the issues he experienced were new to the team also.

kals · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:50 pm

Scotty wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

AMuS is reporting the top speeds of each power units from today:
Ferrari (Alonso) - 336.4km/h
Mercedes (Magnussen) - 330.2km/h

A lot of morons here wrote:

F1 is ruined the cars aren't fast enough wahh wahh wahh

(I am paraphrasing, but you should get my point)

Here here

I like the fact that there are reliability issues and a lot of unknowns. It's a breath of fresh air.

I'd love a single digit number of cars to finish the Australian GP.

Artur Craft · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:59 pm

I don't know why sebbl said DRS wasn't being used. It is:
http://img1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/Jea ... 756445.jpg

@scotty, they won't be much down in time because of their str8 speeds, but they will be quite off in the corners with an extra 50kg of weight, 15% less downforce and harder tyres

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:05 pm

kals wrote:

RtN wrote:

Renault's issues aren't properly established, though. They put it about after the first test that their problems would be a reasonably simple fix. That was bollocks. And now this week there's some more reality.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112590

Well if you want to go tit for tat then Red Bull's issues aren't properly established either. After all, today's issue was new and not related to those of Jerez and Seb said on Wednesday that the issues he experienced were new to the team also.

True, but these are issues similar to those that have been experienced by many teams, including (for example) Williams on Wednesday, when they lost the whole day to a wiring loom issue in the fuel system.

Thinking about it, I don't seem to recall Red Bull's previous cooling problems being a major hindrance at this test. Maybe they have gotten on top of them.

Either way, Renault are still in the same hole they were at the end of the Jerez test. It will be entertaining and intriguing to see reliability in general begin to have a real effect again, but I'm not looking forward to seeing the quality of competition reduced through seeing a third of the grid handicapped before they even start a race weekend.

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More Kamui comments in Japanese; http://as-web.jp/news/info.php?c_id=1&no=54599

The key points are;

-The only difference he can feel in the engine from Jerez to Bahrain is that the strange vibration is gone.
-He feels Caterham would be better off bringing their GP2 car to Melbourne.
-Making the transponder detachable and running around the track with it would give him a greater chance of scoring points.
-He also acknowledges that Caterham are in a better position to help Renault than the other teams as they have managed to get so much more running done than the other teams so far.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 11:32 pm

Scotty wrote:

Now what I want to see, is for them to bring back qualifying tyres. Pirelli and the FIA would be too chicken shit to do so however.

There might actually be a chance of that going ahead:

Quote:

Furthermore, there is an idea to hand drivers extra sets of tyres for the final qualifying segment, which are returned to the FIA afterwards, that will allow them to push for the fastest lap without worrying it will compromise their race chances.

F1 tyre supplier Pirelli has always said it is open to the idea of supplying such qualifying tyres if teams wanted it.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112434/

Granted, it's not the super-sticky 2-laps-and-they're-ruined Pirelli qualifying tyres of old, but I guess it's a start.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 12:06 am

I'm liking how racy Pirelli have been of late.

In recent weeks they've mooted qualifying tyres and the banning of tyre warmers in races.

Both things would improve the sport no end imo.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 1:44 am

Pirelli have been talking about qualifying tyres since 2011 & its sadly not happened yet.

Qualifyers would work well if done right but could make things worse if done wrong.

The way I'd do it is to give everyone who makes Q3 2 sets of qualifiers, Ensures everyone in the top 10 gets to do 2 runs which is better for us fans.

Artur Craft · PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 2:35 am

It's not really qualifying tyres, though. They just suggested extra set(s) of option tyres to be provided for those who reach Q3

AFAIK, it was never really proposed qualifying tyres as those lasting only a flying lap. Well, not that Pirellis are that far from it anyway

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