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With the numbers, they need to make sure they're visible on the cars. Should be mandatory to have it on the rear wing endplate, like GP2.

Not sure if that's a good idea. It looks like the endplates are a popular spot to put sponsors on. Since so many teams are struggling for money, it wouldn't be a very welcome rule for the smaller teams.


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Shaddix wrote:
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With the numbers, they need to make sure they're visible on the cars. Should be mandatory to have it on the rear wing endplate, like GP2.

Not sure if that's a good idea. It looks like the endplates are a popular spot to put sponsors on. Since so many teams are struggling for money, it wouldn't be a very welcome rule for the smaller teams.



Good moment to ditch the rules about the paintjobs being the same for both cars.

Personal numbers + personal paintjobs (influenced by personal sponsors) = potentially more money.


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micha wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
With the numbers, they need to make sure they're visible on the cars. Should be mandatory to have it on the rear wing endplate, like GP2.

Not sure if that's a good idea. It looks like the endplates are a popular spot to put sponsors on. Since so many teams are struggling for money, it wouldn't be a very welcome rule for the smaller teams.



Good moment to ditch the rules about the paintjobs being the same for both cars.

Personal numbers + personal paintjobs (influenced by personal sponsors) = potentially more money.


I think that goes a little to far. I don't mind some livery changes for special events or to promote some event and (Red Bull with Star Wars and Superman) and some more flexibility in livery changes throughout the season. But different livery's in a team, dunno I support that.


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Different liveries per car should be permitted. F1 seems to be in the dark ages about making itself more accessible to sponsors.

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It's normal in other series. I see it as a limitation for the marketing department.

As I said before. The real fans will know which livery is what car and the casual fan will only recognize the Ferraris but could tell a Mercedes from a Lotus or a McLaren.


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I can understand why they don't want complete different colors. But imagine how cool it would be if Raikkonen could put the design of the of is helmet on the engine cover or if Alonso could add yellow accents to his red Ferrari to make his car more "Spanish"?


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Vettel says the double points are absurd. Marko says Red Bull was against it but they were overruled.

Away from the new rules, Vettel is to become a father.

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why can't FIA admit failure to manage F1 rules and go back a few year when everything used to worked a bit right?

is it wrong to award only 6 best placed drivers, 10 points to the winner and so, a 1-hour qualifying session with 12 laps for each driver, how hard could that be?

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With reliability so high now, it makes absolutely no sense to go back to points for the top 6. If anything, they should be expanding it further - top 12 or 15 or all the way down to last

I think F1 is largely fine as it is. They don't need to be making radical changes to this extent. That's why these latest changes are so baffling - answers to a question no one asked, as many have already said


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sometimes I think we'll never see a race with less than 10 finishing drivers again

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LucasWheldon wrote:
sometimes I think we'll never see a race with less than 10 finishing drivers again


I think the next race will.

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Perhaps the FIA should program the McLaren ECUs so that just prior to the race 5-10 cars are randomly selected to retire. I mean they are trying to artificially manipulate almost every part of F1 these days, seems they are missing a trick with this one.

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so Vettel is having a kid, right. Looks like the first thing he'll teach to his child is to raise the finger

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Somebody on another forum took the words right out of my mouth, so I'll just share their thoughts.

'F1 since 2008.

Hrm, we have a problem, the cars can't overtake because of the aero. let's cut the aero.
Hrm, they're twice as close to each other, do we 1) continue down this path that was working but isn't quite there yet, or 2) consider it failed, and bring in DRS and soggy tyres?
Now everyones getting a bit over DRS and soggy tyres, do we 1) resolve the initial problem, abandoning these "fixes", or 2) do we try and "fix" the "fixes?
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kals wrote:
Perhaps the FIA should program the McLaren ECUs so that just prior to the race 5-10 cars are randomly selected to retire.


Mark Webber's old engineers should be the one's programming that, they seem to have experience with that.


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I can't give a good reason, but I don't want teams to run different painted cars.

I would love however though that they can change the design a few times for a specific reason (publicity, emotional, honoring something or someone).

about the points system, I could live that all teams would get points. from P22 until P1. That way you would really know who would have been dead last.


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Fish88 wrote:
kals wrote:
Perhaps the FIA should program the McLaren ECUs so that just prior to the race 5-10 cars are randomly selected to retire.


Mark Webber's old engineers should be the one's programming that, they seem to have experience with that.


Sing to the tune of "Ten Green Bottles"

♪ Ten Red Bulls, sitting on a wall ♪
♪ Ten Red Bulls, sitting on a wall ♪
♪ And if one Red Bull, should accidentally fall ♪
♪ While hoping for Vettel, it'll be Webber afterall ♪

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Shaddix wrote:
I can understand why they don't want complete different colors. But imagine how cool it would be if Raikkonen could put the design of the of is helmet on the engine cover or if Alonso could add yellow accents to his red Ferrari to make his car more "Spanish"?



Apart from Ferrari I don't understand it. Ferrari in red is a tradition. Any other team will run in whatever color the highest payer wants them to drive.
Especially the smaller teams could rake in a few millions more by getting two bigger sponsors and painting each car in different colors.


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With reliability so high now, it makes absolutely no sense to go back to points for the top 6. If anything, they should be expanding it further - top 12 or 15 or all the way down to last

I think F1 is largely fine as it is. They don't need to be making radical changes to this extent. That's why these latest changes are so baffling - answers to a question no one asked, as many have already said



The rulemakers cannot cope with 1 driver/team dominating. They also fail to comprehend that it will end sooner or later. Remember how McLaren ruled the late 80s, early 90s? How Williams ruled the mid 90s and how Schumacher and Ferrari ruled the early 00's? And geez, now Vettel and Red Bull are ruling F1...but it will end and someone else will rule the field.

Same happend in NASCAR with the Chase. A few seasons where decided before the last race and they knee-jerked with the chase. But at the same time forgot that both Trucks and Nationwide used the same rules and had exciting season finales.


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Fish88 wrote:
kals wrote:
Perhaps the FIA should program the McLaren ECUs so that just prior to the race 5-10 cars are randomly selected to retire.


Mark Webber's old engineers should be the one's programming that, they seem to have experience with that.


Wasn't it Webber whose ECU in 2008 was shut down by a passing tram? Probably the most random retirement ever.

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