2021 Formula One Random Discussion Thread

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 4:10 am

after 2010 I simply stopped counting the points battle

at least the winner in those years were quite easy to remember. Well, we know that the greatest races are those not won by Mercedes or Vettel in the Red Bull haha

for instance, I still find amusing that Alonso won at Silverstone in 2011, I watched that one but I simply cannot remember what happened

Fabs · PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:44 am

I got older and got a life so that's pretty much the reason I'm not as obsessed with F1.

sennadesillva · PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 6:10 pm

Looks like Brazil will hold the 3rd sprint race for the season
https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/91100/br ... -race.html

micha · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:16 am

Havent seen this here: Pedro Lamy's Lotus after Silverstone crash 1994

More and more I am surprised how we only had 2 deaths in the 90s. There has been so many horrible crashes before and right after Imola 1994.

alex1369 · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:16 am

I would fail in the sixties for sure. The rest i know perfectly.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:17 am

micha wrote:

Havent seen this here: Pedro Lamy's Lotus after Silverstone crash 1994

More and more I am surprised how we only had 2 deaths in the 90s. There has been so many horrible crashes before and right after Imola 1994.

Beezle · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 1:41 pm

No footage of the Lamy crash? I can't remember ever seeing any.

EAS · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:08 pm

Being a private test, I think it is unlikely we have any footage.

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 2:45 pm

And any potential CCTV would have been wiped.

We were lucky for that picture of the Zonta flip over the fence.

micha · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:00 pm

Quote:

The car was tossed along a walkway and into a spectator tunnel; If it had been a GP weekend, that tunnel would have been full of people.

that line is quite horrific. If it had happened during the GP Weekend that year it would have changed more than Imola would have.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 3:13 pm

in 1994 they didn't had crash tests right?

if they had all the cars would had failed

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 6:44 pm

Improved tubs for 1997 weren't much better either.

There's pictures of Panis' Ligier tub at the end.
http://the-fastlane.co.uk/cpdb/crashphotos_view.php?page=view&editid1=6186

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2021 11:29 pm

Those pics of Lamy and Olivier are crazy. Even on onboards you could see how thin the cockpits were.

It just seemed normal back then, and injury really was part of the sport. To this day I am still looking for where I stand between how safe and "sim-racing"-ey it feels nowadays, and how unique and special the risk made these heroes look to my kid eyes.

There was a feeling of fatalistic comradry in the face of danger and tragedy, that you only see in motorcycle road racing (isle of man and co) nowadays. Just different times that I will accept moving on from with time, I guess.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:02 am

Scotty wrote:

Beezle wrote:

No footage of the Lamy crash? I can't remember ever seeing any.

I have seen a graphic which breaks down how the crash occurred, where he span, it was just freakish. No other cars involved.

If you look into 1994 it's so scary:

Alesi is badly hurt at Mugello in the pre season, misses several races
JJ Lehto is hurt in pre-season, misses several races
Brundle's head is literally ran over at Interlagos, somehow escapes unhurt
Barichello is lucky not to be more seriously hurt in his Imola crash
Ratzenberger dies
Senna dies
Wendlinger nearly dies at Monaco, gets put into a coma, never really recovers from it
Lamy is seriously injured at Silverstone and misses 12 months
Montermini breaks his ankle at Barcelona

And all that was 5 races into the season. Imagine if in 2021 we got to this point of the season and nearly half the grid had been injured and needed replacements.

Plus Verstappen getting burnt at Spa and Brundle breaking the legs of a marshal in Japan (as well as the crowd and pit lane injuries in Imola).....damn son

webbsy · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:11 am

micha wrote:

Havent seen this here: Pedro Lamy's Lotus after Silverstone crash 1994

More and more I am surprised how we only had 2 deaths in the 90s. There has been so many horrible crashes before and right after Imola 1994.

Great, great find. I didn't believe that public photos of that crash existed.

I've said it before but go listen to Bring Back V10s podcast. Johnny Herbert discusses this crash as he was right behind Lamy. It is insane that he lived. He starts talking about it @21:30

https://podtail.com/podcast/bring-back- ... y-herbert/

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:26 am

judging by Johnny Herbert's account, it was a Driven'esque crash

micha · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:41 am

LucasWheldon wrote:

judging by Johnny Herbert's account, it was a Driven'esque crash

FUCK ME I need new glasses. I thought you said it was kinda the drivers fault and I was like "uhm, rear wing fell off??" And then I saw you typed Driven. :slaphead:

So, does that mean, Driven is more realistic than we thought? :whistling:

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 9:44 am

Cars have lost rear wings before and not gone over fences. Did air get underneath the car and lift it up?

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:15 pm

It must have gotten air underneath it or somehow launched off the barrier (Katherine Legge at Road America style). Sounds crazy. The only accidents I remember at that corner were De Cesaris in 1991 and one in the wet in 92/93 (Blundell?)

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:32 pm

Remember how in more than 15 years, we never understood how Yokoyama's F3 was launched that high into the bridge in 1997? Then a similar F3 crash happened on live TV a few years ago at Silverstone (thankfully without the bridge part!) and we all saw it.

We've had plenty of airplane formula crashes since then too, that seem to defy physics: Formula Dream at Suzuka 2002, Vaidyanathan at Oulton Park, Li in Austria,... probably forgetting a lot. EDIT: fuck me, Peroni at Monza :8:

At those speeds, there's enough energy to go very high, and very far in pure ballistic physics theory. If instead of being absorbed, this energy is redirected perfectly in a perfect storm scenario against the ground, an obstacle or a barrier, you're in for a ride!

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