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We need enough entries to be able to get all full-time rides from Penske, Ganassi and Andretti, bumped from the qualifying field.

Yes, Michael Andretti also wants guaranteed spots in the 500.

Penske and Ganassi should fuck off to their NASCAR teams if they insist on this. Andretti should follow suit.

If you can't qualify on speed, you don't deserve to race. As simple as that.

Even Pippa Mann is still ok with bumping, judging by the article she RTd:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/GreggDoyelStar/status/1119395756119662592[/tweet]

I agree with everyone else. It's part of Indy, and guaranteed spots is somehow even worse than no bumping.

I kind of understand their point though. They have commited to a series with little if any ROI. Yet, the Indy 500 is a special race in it's own right. You need to show the speed to get into the show. This powerhouses have the resources and the personnel to put cars up to speed.

Maybe a return to two weekends of Time Trials is the way to go.

We could be getting more and more entries as the years go by, and will make it harder for some teams to have enough attempts. And you can have a bad weekend, or some weather, and you could be left out in the blue, even if your car should have the speed to make the field.

Ok, so who wants to start up a "start and park" type team with me so we can have a guaranteed indy spot? lol

great idea. Everyone in the forum borrows 1000 dollars for the operation and we hire @

zippy to drive

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The best hair in the paddock returns with Salesforce and DRR to make entry number 35.

https://racer.com/2019/04/22/drr-confir ... -indy-500/

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Harding have also named their price at $1.5 million for any driver hoping to coax their second tub out of storage.

https://racer.com/2019/04/21/second-har ... -indy-500/

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The Most Surprising thing about this for me is that Robin Miller is in favour of the 25/8 rule

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someone go hit the lotto so we can get a 4 car team

He's a treasure but he's dead to me now...

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at least it appears the series & IMS doesn't want to give into the big teams demands, hopefully that will stay as-is.

a 23-10 rule would hurt the series massively

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looks like it will be 36 when it's all said & done for this year - unless someone buys the 2nd car from Harding or Juncos. Servia's been the hot rumor for SPM - but Munoz, Aleshin & Stefan Wilson also trying to get a ride
https://racer.com/2019/04/22/arrow-spm- ... entry-key/

I'm completely with David Land on the 25-8 bullshit.

Sooooo the big players in indycar are saying that letting a Lotus powered car start, who will be black flagged on lap 13 for being dangerously too slow, is better for the sport than having an Alonso or a Busch in the field? Seriously, indycar would not even let Lotus ATTEMPT to run with a bit higher boost to just let them race at a safe speed and to help keep a manufacturer in the sport but less than 7 years later the same people are saying spots should be guaranteed??? I would say, for the future of the sport, they need to listen me but I haven't shown up to every race this season so that automatically make my opinion invalid I suppose.

People think F1 is bad in this regard but the teams in CART/IndyCar/ChampCar/etc have always had way too much power, most notably Penske and Ganassi. Newman/Haas did too but they did a lot of good over the years.

Marshall couldn't of said it any better


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and to the point of the bigger teams - wasn't there was more risk of missing the show LAST YEAR when there's only 1 day of qualifying / bumping compared to this year's qualy day + shootout?

The Mailbag is a treat this week. The fans aren't happy with the owners and Miller's not happy with the fans.

https://racer.com/2019/04/24/robin-mill ... acing-hpd/

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Old man yells at cloud...

Can’t say Miller doesn’t have a point or many.

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Heck, I used to be a big fan of him, but both his reactions to the Canadian TV deal and the 25-8 discussion are completely contrary to ma opinion and also to what I expected from him.
Since he basically works for NBC now which is a close partner to IndyCar, I wonder if he decided to (or even got told to) take stands less opposing to what IndyCar wants to do.

And most of them are wrong.

His basic point seems to be some IMHO lame arguments about protecting the sponsors. (In which case, why not guarantee the spots for the sponsored one-off entries too? And exclude any of the "ride buyers" that aren't doing it on the grounds of bringing sponsorship to the table? Opening the track to all cars (eg no bumping at all) is a smarter idea than "guaranteed spots for full timers" if you approach things from that angle).

The thing that Robin Miller gets wrong -- way, way wrong -- is the optics. At this time, Indycar is a niche sport (with a regional center in the Midwest). Traditions can be broken, sure, but IMHO his arguments in this direction are really weak. The 33 car field -- made of the fastest qualifiers, gosh, this is auto racing, what a concept! -- has been a staple of the 500 since *1934*. It's an older tradition than he is. There have been a few exceptions to this rule, but few of them have been of the "protect the spots regardless of speed" variety. The main exception to this is the hated 25/8 IRL rule of 1996.

Fans -- particularly niche sport fans -- recognize these sorts of things. Mess with the traditions too much and you end up losing fans. (Just ask NASCAR. ) Especially when the tradition strikes hard against a core concept (again, auto racing is about who goes fastest, right?)

I'd be ok with the starting bumped cars from a lap down tbh, but there's no way they'd ever do something like that.

Miller has some good points and some bad, the trouble is my God he let's you know about them over and over.
We know the purse is terrible Robin, cant you use your notoriety to so something about that with a sponsor instead of continually bitching over and over?

Race fans are stupid sometimes too, like the guy who deletes recorded f1 races if he looks at the result and Hamilton has won
Imagine him sitting through the aus gp snooze just because bottas wins and not watching Bahrain because Hamilton did.
Also the whole point of watching racing is seeing how that result is fought for.

But you get that a lot in all series fandom, people who only care about the results and not how exciting it is to achieve that result. Its baffling to me

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