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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:50 am 
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codename_47 wrote:
Randomness and having to suddenly deal with your rivals being on your tail again almost resetting the race was part of the challenge of Le Mans imo, along with the interesting strategy calls that SC period brings out.

Winning a lottery is a challenge too.

This will most likely not completely remove SC, unless there just isn't a bad enough crash. I can imagine they'd deploy them pretty easily still to calm things down but then call them in sooner while keeping the accident zone as slow.


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SC= horrible gimmick that should only be used as ultimate necessity rather than a convinient "tool to spice up the show"

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At the best of times, the safety cars have managed not to spoil absolutely everything in the race order. But more often than not, gaps are artificially extended and shortened. I'm all for close finishes and close racing, but endurance racing is more about closing down and maintaining/extending the gap to your competitors. The graveyard shift stints at Le Mans 2008 is the perfect example of this. No major events of any significance happened; certainly nothing worthy of a 3 minute action-packed clip on youtube. But those who watched it all unfold will agree with me that it was really REALLY exciting. That's endurance racing for me, and it's the reason I will always be cursing whenever the safety cars are deployed, especially at Le Mans.

I'm all for safety, and once a big crash has happened then the racing naturally takes a back seat when repairs have to be made, but there's a strong case for the 60 km/h zone idea in both regards (racing and safety). I agree that it will be unsafe to have to decelerate from top-speed to 60 km/h at certain parts of the circuit, but for me this just sounds like a simple case of splitting the circuit into sectors starting and finishing at the acceleration out of given corners. This means there won't be any arbitrary deceleration in the middle of any straights which, of course, is incredibly dangerous. If the legislators manage to implement this logical (imho) rule, I think this system will work just fine.

Safety cars should only be used in the event that the entire circuit is filled with absolute carnage or risk of absolute carnage. The effect of the safety car isn't as great on shorter and more modern circuits, but like Stan said: we now no longer have to suffer 2 hour-long breaks in the action at the Nürburgring because of a handful of metres of barrier that need repairing, along 25 kilometres of circuit.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:05 pm 
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I thought they would introduce a code 60 on the whole circuit like they do in Holland in some series, my bad. If it's only used for a certain part it might be good I guess. I wonder how they are going to work that out properly.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 22, 2013 2:10 pm 
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Well, you never know with these rule makers, do you? :p


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https://twitter.com/AussieGrit/status/4 ... 4683286528

Keep publically pressurizing them, Mark! Yes!


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As unlikely as that sounds, that would be amazing


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He is close to Alonso, he might knows more?


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Alonso's going to be too busy shouting at men in lycra from the passenger seat of a Skoda.

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deggis wrote:
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Can't understand they still call in R18, looks massively different. At least R18+ or R20.

Audi Sport R18 is the name for all closed LMP1 cars from Audi. We do not change the names anymore - similar to not changing names for new road cars

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 771&type=1

Then again we are talking about a manufacturer that gave the same name to a road car and a race car (R8).


I know the official line is the R18 will be all LMPs for consistency, but I think it's more to do with Renault owns the copyright for racing cars beginning with R from R20 upwards. Assuming the DTM car would've been R19, this would've been the R20 and would've infringed on Renaults trademark/copyright/bullshit thing.


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Fish88 wrote:
He is close to Alonso, he might knows more?

No, just his wet dream.


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ellis wrote:
deggis wrote:
Audi Sport R18 is the name for all closed LMP1 cars from Audi. We do not change the names anymore - similar to not changing names for new road cars

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... 771&type=1

Then again we are talking about a manufacturer that gave the same name to a road car and a race car (R8).


I know the official line is the R18 will be all LMPs for consistency, but I think it's more to do with Renault owns the copyright for racing cars beginning with R from R20 upwards. Assuming the DTM car would've been R19, this would've been the R20 and would've infringed on Renaults trademark/copyright/bullshit thing.

I know but there is still quite a few other letter and number combinations available... ;) If this doesn't destroy continuity, then changing the letter and/or whole model name format definitely doesn't either. Not a big deal but slap in the face for racing fans. Peugeot did the same thing with 908...

And the excuse is BS, "We do not change the names anymore", it is going to be true exactly as long as the marketing department thinks it is a good idea.


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ellis, you better not read this!

http://app.racer.com/mobile/pages/appar ... eid=326953

Looks like a D. Franchitti/M. Webber team was all but done


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Yeah I knew he was looking at prototypes after IndyCar (didn't guess Porsche though), and I kinda figured the IndyCar end would come soonish given his incompatibility with the DW12. It just wasn't the end anyone expected. With Dario at least it can be said he has achieved massive things in his career. Marino has just been screwed at every oppertunity - Peugeot, Level 5, Highcroft, the whole lot. He is mind blowingly fast on track and never makes a mistake, yet he's stuck arsing around for teams which don't deserve someone that good, whilst Mark Gene seems to get amazing seats thrown at him, despite being average at best, and a bell end.


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http://www.magnusracing.com/home/2013/1 ... acing.html

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Chris D wrote:
http://www.magnusracing.com/home/2013/12/25/a-special-holiday-poem-by-magnus-racing.html


So true.


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Hmm...is the "Roar before the Rolex 24" an actual race or a collective test session?

It's one week away and I can't seem to find any entry list.

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Time for a USCC thread mayhaps? Roar before 24 is in no way related to Le Mans.


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dicksplaash wrote:
Time for a USCC thread mayhaps? Roar before 24 is in no way related to Le Mans.


I figured it would be appropriate in the old ALMS thread, but maybe a separate thread would make things clearer.

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New start new thread?


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