Maybe they could work with the top fuel drag racers to come up with a concept.
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| Author: | Speedworx [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:32 pm ] |
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Maybe they could work with the top fuel drag racers to come up with a concept.
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| Author: | momo1911 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:32 pm ] |
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J.Morelli wrote: Well...I believe this may raise a new debate on closed cockpits....remember this Penske? Not 100% closed but quite safe IMO.  I really like that approach. It still looks like a proper Indycar. As long as the cover is quick-connect, the driver could still get out quickly if the car was on fire as well as the cockpit being available to medical workers. A modern take on that wouldn't look bad at all IMO, and would help tremendously to lessen these types of accidents. |
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| Author: | Gaara [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:33 pm ] |
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Go with LMP1 style |
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| Author: | Boxy Brown [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:35 pm ] |
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Prayers. Reminds me so much of the da Matta and Massa incidents. |
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| Author: | Toto87 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:38 pm ] |
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Speedworx wrote: Maybe they could work with the top fuel drag racers to come up with a concept. What is going to happen if the car is upside down & on fire ? The driver can't extract himself. |
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| Author: | trout [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:40 pm ] |
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i was just thinking of da matta when they showed the fox on the track |
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| Author: | Joe A [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 pm ] |
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Toto87 wrote: Speedworx wrote: Maybe they could work with the top fuel drag racers to come up with a concept. What is going to happen if the car is upside down & on fire ? This is a great question that any engineer should keep in mind. Off the top of my head, the one idea I had in mind was a remotely-activated fire extinguisher system. If a driver's knocked out and can't access the fire extinguisher, a marshal, a team member, or IndyCar officials could press a button that activates a fire extinguisher to get whatever fire out and buy time for a driver. I'm no engineer, but it's a thought. |
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| Author: | Chris A [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 pm ] |
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trout wrote: i was just thinking of da matta when they showed the fox on the track Yeah I kinda had that thought too. Especially as (even though it's been quite awhile) there is some history of deer making their way on track at Pocono as well. |
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| Author: | trout [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 pm ] |
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Toto87 wrote: Speedworx wrote: Maybe they could work with the top fuel drag racers to come up with a concept. What is going to happen if the car is upside down & on fire ? The driver can't extract himself. they could find a way to make it work i'm sure. remember, hockey masks used to be for pussies |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 pm ] |
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This is open wheel open cockpit racing. No knee jerk reactions please , it's a formula that's worked for years so 20 mins after a bad accident we dont need a new system debated that will probably cause more issue than solve. That said, all my thoughts and hopes with Justin, I hope we wake up to good news tomorrow. |
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| Author: | Stoegi [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:45 pm ] |
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codename_47 wrote: This is open wheel open cockpit racing. No knee jerk reactions please , it's a formula that's worked for years so 20 mins after a bad accident we dont need a new system debated that will probably cause more issue than solve. That said, all my thoughts and hopes with Justin, I hope we wake up to good news tomorrow. Thank you. |
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| Author: | codename_47 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:46 pm ] |
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British drivers without full time rides should not try running the final oval race of the season 
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| Author: | Matthiasw [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:46 pm ] |
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codename_47 wrote: This is open wheel open cockpit racing. No knee jerk reactions please , it's a formula that's worked for years so 20 mins after a bad accident we dont need a new system debated that will probably cause more issue than solve. That said, all my thoughts and hopes with Justin, I hope we wake up to good news tomorrow. Right now it does not make sense to fight about it. Send your Prayers to Justin, keep your fingers crossed, thats the best you can all do right now... |
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| Author: | de31168 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:50 pm ] |
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Toto87 wrote: Speedworx wrote: Maybe they could work with the top fuel drag racers to come up with a concept. What is going to happen if the car is upside down & on fire ? The driver can't extract himself. The same thing can happen if a top fuel car wrecks and is upside down in the sand trap at the end of the track. They have quick releases on the inside, as well as an internal fire suppression system. However the NHRA Safety Safari response time is a hell of a lot quicker than anything IndyCar does. |
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| Author: | MaTT [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:50 pm ] |
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To be fair though, it's not exactly a knee-jerk reaction - there have been a number of very serious (and in some case tragic) accidents in the last 6 or 7 years that have bought closed cockpits up, it's not just today. The thing about the formula working for however many years isn't really a thing either. F1 had seemed to have been working very well for a number of years as of April 29th 1994. IndyCar had been working pretty well as of October 15th 2011. And you know what? They had been... but it didn't last, and lessons needed to be learned. Whatever the lessons that are learned this time, I just hope it's not as the result of a tragedy. Met Justin at Brands Hatch in 2003 when he'd just got into F1 and he was a genuinely nice guy. |
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| Author: | momo1911 [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:54 pm ] |
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codename_47 wrote: This is open wheel open cockpit racing. No knee jerk reactions please , it's a formula that's worked for years so 20 mins after a bad accident we dont need a new system debated that will probably cause more issue than solve. That said, all my thoughts and hopes with Justin, I hope we wake up to good news tomorrow. While my heart agrees 100% with what you said, my head is telling me that accidents that send popular drivers to ICU don't go over very well with today's "safety-oriented" culture. I would rather watch a slightly different Indy looking 500 than be talking to my kids in 30 years saying "There used to be this awesome thing called Indycar racing." |
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| Author: | RtN [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:55 pm ] |
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Credit to the good people at Atlas for digging this out; Quote: The car's handling got better during the most recent round of testing at Homestead-Miami Speedway, but the improvement came from an extreme measure: Placing 26 pounds of lead ballast in the nose of the car to balance out the weight distribution. http://espn.go.com/racing/indycar/story ... t-sort-out Now, granted, that was in 2011 and they might have taken the weight out again since then...or they might not. |
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| Author: | J.Morelli [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:56 pm ] |
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MaTT wrote: Whatever the lessons that are learned this time, I just hope it's not as the result of a tragedy. Met Justin at Brands Hatch in 2003 when he'd just got into F1 and he was a genuinely nice guy. Please....he IS a nice guy, not was! Let's all pray he recovers! |
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| Author: | Raikkon [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:57 pm ] |
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RtN wrote: Credit to the good people at Atlas for digging this out; Quote: The car's handling got better during the most recent round of testing at Homestead-Miami Speedway, but the improvement came from an extreme measure: Placing 26 pounds of lead ballast in the nose of the car to balance out the weight distribution. http://espn.go.com/racing/indycar/story ... t-sort-out Now, granted, that was in 2011 and they might have taken the weight out again since then...or they might not. If that's still the case then it's fatal. Surtees died from a 12kg wheel at half the speed. |
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| Author: | MaTT [ Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:58 pm ] |
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I was only using past tense as I met him in the past and at that time he was genuinely nice, not because I was intimating anything else. |
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