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SBan83 · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:07 pm

SecretAgentHarvick wrote:

Underdogfan wrote:

And hate to tell ya but Trevor Bayne's win was the biggest fluke in NASCAR history. He's been HORRIBLE/has had HORRIBLE luck in I think every Sprint Cup race since then...wreck after wreck after wreck. I think he's wiped out in every Daytona race since the 500 win.

Derricke Cope disagrees with you. I don't remember much about the Dover win that he also had later on that 1990 season, but both of them were flukes if I remember.

In Bayne's case at the 500, wouldn't really call that a fluke. The car had the speed all week in qualifying and in the duels and he had one of the greatest drivers in the history of the sport in Jeff Gordon helping him tandem draft all week as well. All that mixed with the fact all of the major contenders took themselves out tandem drafting, it's not much of a fluke at all really.

Other crazy NASCAR upsets that I can remember over the years of following the sport are both of Johnny Rumley's Busch series wins.

He was a weekly driver at my local short track when in 1993, he showed up at Hickory and shocked the field and won, and also in 1995 at Dover, he was directly in front of the leader to go a lap down with 10 laps to go and the caution came out. He beat the leader to the line, stayed out on track when everyone in front of him pitted, assumed the lead and held on for the final 5 laps.

IMHO, anything you achieve at Daytona/Talladega during the plate era is a fluke and should not be taken as a serious gauge of talent at all.

momo1911 · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:30 pm

I think it depends. Most of the time, the result is unusual to say the least. There are some examples of good driving though. I remember when Bobby Hamilton drove the wheels off his car that one time at Talladega. Also Kenseth at the 500 when Biffle tried but couldn't get around him. Dale Jr this year a little bit as well with the snaking down the straights and blocking effectively. Having said that- I also seem to remember another particular time Dale Jr's car had about 100hp more than anyone else. So the spectacle does play a part. I know, for me growing up, the plate races were my "entry level" exposure to circle track racing. My first race watched live on TV was the 2001 500 (I know). Now, I have come full circle (no pun intended) and I enjoy watching everything from the Daytona 500 right on down to short track races at local tracks around the country.

Ayro · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:32 pm

Hotdogger wrote:

IMHO, anything you achieve at Daytona/Talladega during the plate era is a fluke and should not be taken as a serious gauge of talent at all.

Which plate era?

Racefan4ever · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:49 pm

Wow...........

de31168 · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:57 pm

Ayro wrote:

Hotdogger wrote:

IMHO, anything you achieve at Daytona/Talladega during the plate era is a fluke and should not be taken as a serious gauge of talent at all.

Which plate era?

1987-infinity.

SBan83 · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:57 pm

I'll make exceptions for the latter part of Daytona before the repave, when the surface got really beat up and cars spent more time up in the air than on the ground and it was mostly about handling but that's about it.

Ayro · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:42 pm

How about on the big blocks way back in the early 70's? Best I remember that was the first use of them in Cup, and at other fast tracks besides the two high banked 2.5 mile ones. But I'm old and have intermittent CRS. I do remember plate cheating stories about Hoss Ellington (maybe as a driver and owner both) and others from back then, so am pretty sure the plates were around that far back.

The racing on the two big ass tracks was much more boring visually prior to the newest incarnation of the plates, which I think didn't show up until Speedweeks of 1988 this time around. And then only at Daytona and Talladega, whereas before they were used at Michigan (?) and maybe Pocono too.

Saw a few minutes of the 1981 World 600 last night on an old Beta videotape, the cars looked like they were racing in slo-mo. But at least they could pass each other and race. And remember Ron Bob Bouchard won a race at Talladega at the line 3 cars wide back in the early 80's, he beat DW and Terry Labonte.

Jeff · PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:51 pm

Speedweeks '88 was when the plate returned. I think they used a smaller Carbuerator for the July '87 Daytona/Talladega races. I wonder how well that would've worked if they'd kept it at that and not had the plates.

the ost · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 7:42 am

SecretAgentHarvick wrote:

Underdogfan wrote:

And hate to tell ya but Trevor Bayne's win was the biggest fluke in NASCAR history. He's been HORRIBLE/has had HORRIBLE luck in I think every Sprint Cup race since then...wreck after wreck after wreck. I think he's wiped out in every Daytona race since the 500 win.

Derricke Cope disagrees with you. I don't remember much about the Dover win that he also had later on that 1990 season, but both of them were flukes if I remember.

In the Dover race he led a bunch of laps and was one of the better cars most of the day.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:30 am

Winning a plate race is no worse than winning a race on fuel mileage.

KingOfChins · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:02 am

Ron Bouchard was a bigger fluke than Bayne. Just saying.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 9:07 am

The biggest fluke was James Buescher at Daytona Nationwide

Pretzel · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 11:56 am

mclaren2008 wrote:

The biggest fluke was James Buescher at Daytona Nationwide

But he did win a truck championship, so I wouldn't call it that big of a fluke. Maybe in how he won it, but he sure hasn't had a flukey career like Bayne and Cope.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:18 pm

Yeah he has run well at other tracks and has wins not at superspeedways.

SBan83 · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 1:40 pm

TBF, he's not done much in NW, just like Bayne. Truck series is easy-peasy the last few years.

Mitch the Bitch · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:16 pm

Hotdogger wrote:

TBF, he's not done much in NW, just like Bayne. Truck series is easy-peasy the last few years.

Unless you're in Cup equipment, you can't do much in Nationwide.

SBan83 · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 2:29 pm

Mitch the Bitch wrote:

Hotdogger wrote:

TBF, he's not done much in NW, just like Bayne. Truck series is easy-peasy the last few years.

Unless you're in Cup equipment, you can't do much in Nationwide.

Penske or Gibbs to be specific. Roush's Nationwide program isn't all that great and I'd peg them just marginally better than Buescher's team and he's not done any better than Bayne in the 2nd tier.

Temiree · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 5:55 pm

Mitch the Bitch wrote:

Hotdogger wrote:

TBF, he's not done much in NW, just like Bayne. Truck series is easy-peasy the last few years.

Unless you're in Cup equipment, you can't do much in Nationwide.

I sometimes wonder how the results for Nationwide, Trucks, ARCA etc. would change if everyone were given equal, IROC-style cars. It wouldn't ever happen of course, but it's something I've thought about.

SBan83 · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:33 pm

I feel they should do that for K&N atleast.

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2014 8:38 pm

I would like to see Ryan Sieg in a good car. Matt DiBendetto has also impressed me on the ever so rare occasions when he's allowed to complete a race. And Johanna Long of course.

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