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I miss that

Overrated. A gimmick. Rarely produced a good race.

Although would be great in the DRS era.

Lol, NO!!!!

Better than 90% of any Tilkedromes, a unique track that would be welcome any year in the modern F1 calendar instead of all the generic souless crap that we have today.

old Hockenheim had its many flaws, narrow track that took some while to dry, uncompatible to modern race cars and the long track that gave spectators just 45 laps of racing action (when it had)


but even with boring races it was nice to see cars blazing by at full speed at a difficult course. Funny that in the old days not too many photographers ventured to grab good shots at ostkurve or in the forest straights

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If it was used today in the DRS era, yeah it would be better than most of the "Tilkedromes" but in the era it belonged, it didn't produce any good racing.

I don't know why people are so enamoured with the circuit. Today's supporters would struggle to watch a race there from the 80s or 90s.

Any circuit that is different to your standard tilkedrome just has so much more character. I don't actually like the Hungaroring as a trak as it's way to slow and twisty for my taste, but that exactly makes it different to almost all other circuits, so for that fact I do actually like it. Same with Monza. The racing is not very good, yet it poses different challenges than most other circuits and is therefore interesting. And I would say the same about old Hockenheim. Its just its unique challenge.

Old Hockenheim was a Noah's Ark engine race unless someone was on a 2 stopper or a person ran across the track

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Monza also sucks for racing, even with DRS it´s almost impossible to overtake. But just like the old Hockenheim, it´s a RACE track, not a glorified karting event like most new tracks.

It would be fun if there were two detection zones per straight, that way you could have some back and forths.

And that is purely an F1 problem. Everything else that races there is great.

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You could have a detection point at the first corner, and all three chicanes. There would be a lot of passing and re-passing. F3 and F2 would be mad.

Sure, not every race was a classic. The older races were car killers, but it still lended itself to some great racing. 2000 is the obvious example. Lots of other memorable moments - Unlikely battle for the win between Fisichella and Berger in 1997. Hill cruelly denied a first win with a last lap puncture in 1993. Nannini nearly pulling off the impossible in 1990 by holding off Senna on old tyres for several laps.

This is a favourite of mine, in 1981. A great lead battle. The Renault being mighty on the straights, but the Williams with all the speed in the corners. The pass was brilliant.

Take away the trees from Hockenheim and what did you get - straights and chicanes and a twisty bit at the end. Not exactly Nurburgring levels of thrilling.

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I will take Old Hock any day of the week and twice on Sunday over virtually any new track of the last 30 years.

When they made the right hand sweep out of T1 and blasted off into the forest it felt like they were going somewhere. Now, it's a bastardized, impotent version of it's former greatness. I don't care if it produces "better" racing or not. It pales in comparison to the awesome might of its predecessor.

And the slipstream battles in WSBK were some of the best.

And you really had to handle the car around the stadium section because of the low downforce. Now the stadium section is just like the rest of the track which now looks like any other modern track. The blasts into the forest and coming out again into the stadium section was it's character and we've lost that.

They also changed how T1 was and it's not just the car park they added there.

It's a good debate but sadly it feels like we'll ever see either layout in F1 again

Does feel weird that with all the German influence in F1, and some still to come, we don't have a German GP any more. (Or France.....)

I guess it's a lesson to any venue: Doesn't matter how long we've been coming here, history means nothing in the search for more and more profits.

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following the thread, what about a reject at this rejected track

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Regarding Hockenheim, even while the stadium section is similar now than it was in the old days, it's different as earlier cars ran with minimal wings and now medium wings as the rest of the circuit is different, therefore the stadium sector is easier to drive with the setup.

40 years ago, Patrick Tambay started on pole at Österreichring, the 100th one for Ferrari

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