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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:16 am 
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Yeah, the twitch towards JPM in the braking zone is what set off all of that. It was one of those classic Schumacher moves, but he backed out of it.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:47 am 
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Except that is still wrong. Montoya was leading the race and suffering from tyre issues, I believe they were going through their standard graining phase, and he was fighting a rear guard attack from Schumi, Barrichello, Verstappen and a couple of others. During the incident in question Montoya was holding the inside line and Schumacher tried to overtake on the outside, but tried squeezing Montoya mid-braking zone. That unsettled Montoya who was already braking at the limit and both cars slowly went towards the gravel.

Montoya didn't do a late diving bomb move. In fact, Schumi did. A racing incident, 50/50.

yup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmerS6jr9v8

And Verstappen goes up to second with the Arrows.


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Does anybody have a high-res picture of that podium or the podium-ceremony with all the autographes/signatures on the sides?

Thanks a lot!


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Funny how this thread turned into one "let's blame Schumacher for everything" thread for some random reason again.


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Funny how that is not actually the fact at all, instead we're discussing the lack of consistency around penalties and a couple of members have used incidents involving Schumi as reference.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:07 pm 
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kals wrote:
Funny how that is not actually the fact at all, instead we're discussing the lack of consistency around penalties and a couple of members have used incidents involving Schumi as reference.


You guys are forensically analysing a lame incident that happened 11 years ago as a reference for penaltlies that are given today!? Come on.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:26 pm 
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Echti wrote:
Funny how this thread turned into one "let's blame Schumacher for everything" thread for some random reason again.


You are obviously totally missing the point of this discussion.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:31 pm 
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Echti wrote:
kals wrote:
Funny how that is not actually the fact at all, instead we're discussing the lack of consistency around penalties and a couple of members have used incidents involving Schumi as reference.


You guys are forensically analysing a lame incident that happened 11 years ago as a reference for penaltlies that are given today!? Come on.


wtf, let people discuss history if they want to. I think that incident is interesting. And it was awesome fun when it happened too.

btw, Schumacher is usually the criminal in most incidents he's been involved with, fyi.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 1:34 pm 
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Stoegi wrote:
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Funny how this thread turned into one "let's blame Schumacher for everything" thread for some random reason again.


You are obviously totally missing the point of this discussion.


How can I miss a point of a discussion when it is about a question that has actually raised by me!?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 3:14 pm 
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I think the main point of the discussion (which I suppose I started so I can make my intentions idiot proof) was that 10 years ago, Schumi was given room on the inside, hit the kerb, understeered into JPM and Montoya got the penalty.

Fast forward to the last race, pretty much identical incident, yet this time the driver on the inside understeering into the car on the outside got the penalty, at least in my opinion, the way it should've worked 10 years ago too.

Then it moved on to discuss how inconsistent the stewards were back then and at least they're a little better now, but if you want to turn it into a "whole world hates Schumacher" instead of "forum hates aggressive driving regardless of who is doing it" then that's your priority, wrong as you'd be.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:32 pm 
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codename_47 wrote:
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Then it moved on to discuss how inconsistent the stewards were back then and at least they're a little better now, but if you want to turn it into a "whole world hates Schumacher" instead of "forum hates aggressive driving regardless of who is doing it" then that's your priority, wrong as you'd be.


I tell you what: I love aggressive driving...

Coldtyre mentioned the Austria 2001 situation in pretty much an ironic way and it always amazes me what a fuss is made about things that happened so many years ago. We all know that the FIA tends to act more drastically in case of penalties in the last couple of years than they did 10 years ago but this forum has the common habit in still discussing these quite old incidents and trying to find any reference to todays race control policy.
And then you hear after - as I said - a forensic CSI style analysis of this particular incident involving Schumacher and Montoya that it was actually Michael's fault and that he dove Montoya off the road which was clearly not the case. Both were racing, no one was willing to yield and than it happened. But this is TBK-Light and this obviously cannot stand as such. Same as for the Malaysia 2002 collision: it was the start, both were racing hard and then they collided, can happen, does happen and will happen. FIA handed out a penalty for Montoya which was silly of course but this is how it happened. And yet we have to discuss it in order to find out that it actually was Michael's fault.
That does look slighlty strange and rather ridiculous...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:46 pm 
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Echti wrote:
That does look slighlty strange and rather ridiculous...


....to you.


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People discussing old incidents :ohmy:


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:59 pm 
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codename_47 wrote:
Echti wrote:
That does look slighlty strange and rather ridiculous...


....to you.


Just forget it.


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Echti, if you look back at the analysis I wrote of Austria 2001 you'll see I actually stated that it was a racing incident. Just a 50/50 as both drivers were on the limit. At no point do I say "Schumi at fault, grrrr, bash bash bash, he's an idiot, blah blah blah" like you seem to think... ;)

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Only thing I find interesting out of all of this is the complete lack of slip streaming advantage in that video! Oh DRS how you humour us.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 12:23 pm 
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Spot the fanboy.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:00 pm 
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Spot the Brainpain.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:13 pm 
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Enough.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 9:09 pm 
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just lock the topic.


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