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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:40 am 
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Come on, this is worth a new thread. Not sure if this is the official start of the european version of the CART/IRL split, maybe they'll back off in the coming months, but it sure looks like tonight is going to be the historical moment it happened:

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FOTA teams to launch breakaway series

By jonathan noble Thursday, June 18th 2009, 22:43 GMT

The Formula One Teams' Association announced on Thursday night that it is setting up a breakaway championship.

Following a four hour meeting at Renault's Enstone factory, the eight members of FOTA - Ferrari, McLaren, Renault, BMW Sauber, Toyota, Brawn, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso - said they had grown frustrated with the FIA's stance against the organisation, and had no option but to create a series of their own.

"The teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 World Championship," said a statement issued by FOTA after the meeting.

"These teams therefore have no alternative other than to commence the preparation for a new Championship which reflects the values of its participants and partners. This series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders.

"The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series."

F1 teams were given until Friday evening to remove the conditions attached to the provisional entries they posted earlier this month, or risk being left off the grid in 2010.

FIA president Max Mosley wrote to the teams yesterday offering them some of the concessions that they wanted to see regarding governance of the sport, but made it clear that he was sticking to plans for the introduction of a budget cap.

In his letter, Mosley also urged the teams to sign up to the championship before sorting out the final version of the regulations and a redrafted Concorde Agreement.

In response to that letter, the teams met at Renault's Enstone headquarters on Thursday evening for lengthy talks, where they finally decided that there was no way a compromise deal could be reached with the FIA.

The teams expressed frustration that their efforts to try and improve F1 had been rebuffed by the governing body and the sport's commercial rights holder.

"Since the formation of FOTA last September the teams have worked together and sought to engage the FIA and commercial rights holder, to develop and improve the sport," said the statement.

"Unprecedented worldwide financial turmoil has inevitably placed great challenges before the F1 community. FOTA is proud that it has achieved the most substantial measures to reduce costs in the history of our sport.

"In particular the manufacturer teams have provided assistance to the independent teams, a number of which would probably not be in the sport today without the FOTA initiatives. The FOTA teams have further agreed upon a substantial voluntary cost reduction that provides a sustainable model for the future.

"Following these efforts all the teams have confirmed to the FIA and the commercial rights holder that they are willing to commit until the end of 2012.

"The FIA and the commercial rights holder have campaigned to divide FOTA.

"The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored. Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006. Despite this and the uncompromising environment, FOTA has genuinely sought compromise."

The announcement by FOTA looks certain to overshadow the British Grand Prix, which takes place at Silverstone for the final time this weekend and which Mosley is expected to attend tomorrow.

With FOTA's stance now seemingly leaving no room for a deal possible, its likely that more new teams will be added to the FIA's 2010 Formula 1 entry list.

The inclusion of Ferrari, Red Bull Racing and Scuderia Toro Rosso on that roster remains open to debate, however, with the FIA claiming that the teams committed themselves to F1 in a deal agreed several years ago.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76292


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:51 am 
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OMG!!!

IT'S REALLY HAPPENED!

Get ready for the fastest back pedal ever from Max Mosley.


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He'll be shitting bricks now :lol:


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I don't get why FOTA did this considering Max gave them a very good comprimise deal that was practically the same as the one they themselfs asked for.


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Listening to David Croft on BBC at the moment, who says having talked to a senior official, that FOTA have been planning this breakaway series for some time, and have informal agreements with several circuits with a general view of what the calendar will look like. They've also been looking at A1GP's infrastructure and broadcasting rights to see if they can replicate something similar.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:19 am 
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SKY SPORTS HD FOFIA?

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I wonder whether contract between FOM and TV companies have "breakaway"clause :p


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Another interesting point - if all the teams go, so do the drivers because of their contracts, and if 80% of the teams and drivers go to this new series, all the fans will follow. Most of their affinities are for the teams and drivers and they'll just follow the series that has the Ferrari's, McLarens, Hamiltons and Alonso's of this world, not some teams and drivers no-one has ever heard of.

The only main sticking point I can see for FOTA would be TV deals because many broadcasters have signed multi-million pound deals with FOM and if there are no contract clauses, would be obliged to continue to show Formula 1.

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I wonder whether contract between FOM and TV companies have "breakaway"clause :p


There's some suggestion tonight that there is a clause for at least some broadcasters that if Ferrari were to leave the sport, negotiations could then be triggered. I don't know if that's true or not, just something that David Croft speculated earlier.


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I wonder if any of the rejected new teams might try for the breakaway series?


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on the other hand, USF1 GP might be seriously fucked


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FOTA statement:

bbc.co.uk wrote:
Since the formation of Fota last September the teams have worked together and sought to engage the FIA and commercial rights holder [Bernie Ecclestone], to develop and improve the sport.

Unprecedented worldwide financial turmoil has inevitably placed great challenges before the F1 community. Fota is proud that it has achieved the most substantial measures to reduce costs in the history of our sport. In particular, the manufacturer teams have provided assistance to the independent teams, a number of which would probably not be in the sport today without the Fota initiatives.

The Fota teams have further agreed upon a substantial voluntary cost reduction that provides a sustainable model for the future. Following these efforts, all the teams have confirmed to the FIA and the commercial rights holder that they are willing to commit until the end of 2012.

The FIA and the commercial rights holder have campaigned to divide Fota. The wishes of the majority of the teams are ignored. Furthermore, tens of millions of dollars have been withheld from many teams by the commercial rights holder, going back as far as 2006. Despite this, and the uncompromising environment, Fota has genuinely sought compromise.

It has become clear, however, the teams cannot continue to compromise on the fundamental values of the sport and have declined to alter their original conditional entries to the 2010 world championship.

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This [breakaway] series will have transparent governance, one set of regulations, encourage more entrants and listen to the wishes of the fans, including offering lower prices for spectators worldwide, partners and other important stakeholders. The major drivers, stars, brands, sponsors, promoters and companies historically associated with the highest level of motorsport will all feature in this new series.


Note this isn't the full statement, but what the BBC have quoted from it.


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So F1 as we currently know it will include Force India, Williams and all of the new teams that have placed an entry to the 2010 f1 season? :yuk:


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Schumack wrote:
I wonder whether contract between FOM and TV companies have "breakaway"clause :p


LaSexta has a contract with FOM until 2013, paying more than 200 million € in that period...


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So F1 as we currently know it will include Force India, Williams and all of the new teams that have placed an entry to the 2010 f1 season? :yuk:


Five teams confirmed at the moment - Williams, Force India, USF1, Campos and Manor. The FIA would need another eight to reach the thirteen it aimed for (though they could always abandon that and aim for just another five, of which they have that many back-up teams). However, the teams on the back-up list could pull out as Lola already have and the FIA knows that a series of Williams, Force India and a bunch of new teams would not be popular.


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farruquito wrote:
Schumack wrote:
I wonder whether contract between FOM and TV companies have "breakaway"clause :p


LaSexta has a contract with FOM until 2013, paying more than 200 million € in that period...


And the BBC is in the first year of a five year deal costing around £200m.


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Looks like Williams will win their first F1 title for a good few years.


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It's the end of World!!! :ohmy: Never imagined this would happen to F1!!! It's all blame of Max Little Whip!!!


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This was the situation of the new teams prior to tonight's announcement:

USF1, Campos, Manor were accepted for 2010.
Prodrive, Superfund and Epilson were on the back-up list, and happy to compete in 2010 if required.
Lotus and Brabham were on the back-up list and willing to compete in 2010, but both faced legal difficulties over their names.
N. Technology was on the back-up list but very unhappy with the FIA and was considering pulling out.
Lola pulled out after not being accepted as one of the first three.
March, myf1dream.com and Sky Sport Italia's applications were denied outright.

In short, they don't have eight teams ready to take the places of the FOTA teams. They have seven absolute maximum, though in reality probably only an extra three.


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N.Tech also accused the FIA of using the potential new teams as pawns so I can see them applying for the FOTA series.


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