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Because they said they would make these degrading tyres if the teams and drivers didn't complain. Then the teams and drivers (mainly Alonso) complained a fair bit. So that makes Pirelli look bad, so they have to then reel it back a bit to make themselves look better, even if it's worse for racing.

The other issue is the teams were still learning the tyres at the start of the year. It was an unknown factor. By the end of the year, they know what is going to happen on what tyre and plan accordingly.

Which could make next season a whole lot less interesting

That would be exactly my desire as a circuit as well, but in order to do so, they would have to fix the cars for good and ditch this fucking artificialities such as stupid Kers/DRS and ridicolous tires which only produces fake racing.

Yeah, the early races of 2011 were quite "entertaining", or had lots of "action", as I see it. But I'm looking for genuine battles like the one we saw between Schumacher and Hamilton in Monza and not the Kers pass Hamilton did in Vettel for the lead in China, for instance.

The only way that we would see good battles in this ideal circuit, that you wrote, would be, at least imo it seems this way looking back in late 80's/early 90's, to have very low cars highly dependant on underside downforce and maybe even larger tires to make the whole grip rely more on them. Also, they need asap to get rid of rev limiter.

One problem is everyone has rose-tinted glasses. F1 was never an overtaking fest.

But equally, F1 is becoming too reliant on KERS & DRS. KERS is designed mainly to show the world that F1 is environmentally friendly, although it does serve a purpose. Everyone has the right to use it, unlike DRS, which only benefits the attacker. In the world of modern media, the average fan wants to see a car passing another car and DRS ruins the art of defending. There's the problem.

One issue is that unlike in the late 80s as Artur said, the cars are so close nowadays. With the midfield being so densely packed, sometimes about 0.5s separates 7th and 16th. With such close margins, you'll never overtake. Equally, with qualifying the way it is, you should technically always end up with the best car and driver package at the front and so on. Furthermore, with everyone qualifying under the same rules, there's a reduced risk of a mixed up grid.

The main issue is the expectation of passes everywhere, which is never going to happen. What F1 needs to sort out is the ability that a faster car can overtake without significant problem, which is what was an issue when F1 started becoming so massively advanced technologically. Some of the modern circuits don't help either. Slow turn > straight > slow turn doesn't always work, because most cars can do the slow turn at a similar speed. When you get something like Medium corner > straight > slow turn it works better as different cars have different levels of grip in the medium/fast corners. Its why Eau Rouge opens up overtaking at Kemmel and how drivers can overtake after 130R.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011

You made some very true points there. F1 was never , and imo, is not supposed to be an overtaking fest. In the 80's and early 90's the gap between cars were huge indeed, but even considering that, I remember in Barcelona 91 where Alesi follows 2 cars during the final 2 corners, doesn't understeer, and overtakes both in the straight.

With the way cars are right now, even a Red Bull wouldn't be able to follow a Caterham/Lotus car through such corner and not understeer and therefore not be able to make the move in the straight.

Using another example, I remember everybody saying that 2005-2006 GP2 cars used lot's of "ground effect" and the racing of it was fantastic. Since they changed the cars and used less ground effect, it was never as excinting.

Teams ditched the idea of more ground effect for 2014 because they say is hard to control downforce underneath the car but if they put standard floor or even maybe diffusers to all cars and let everything else free, we would still get a fairly non-spec series with cars relying less on wings. It would be kind of GP2 05-06 car using even more ground effect with standard underside for everybody but free bodywork design.

Well, that's how I see it. Bringing back real challenging tracks without real fixed cars won't help the entertaiment of F1.

You hit the nail on the head there. But for most fans, seeing a boring race say at A1 Ring or Spa is a lot more exciting than the same quality and quantity of action at Yeongam or Shanghai.

Another issue is that there will always be a loophole. Before 2009, we thought the problem would be solved, and indeed at the start of 09 there was some great racing between the teams that didn't have the double diffuser. Then all the teams followed suit and overtaking became harder again.

Whenever there is a regulation, someone will find a loophole which will make overtaking their car more difficult. I still can't work out why they made changes to Catalunya with that chicane; it defies logic.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011

I thought when they did the revision that overtaking would become a little more frequent at Barcelona. From the first few laps of the 2007 race it clearly hadn't worked.

F1 cars are just way to reliable.
In the older days, 6-8 cars finishing was normal. Now its normal no car retires due to technical problems.

Blame the engine-reglementations.

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http://www.youtube.com/user/scarsurfing?feature=mhee

Found this.

That was far less angry than Adam Cooper(?) made it out to be.

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Dan Wheldon ¦ 1978-2011
Marco Simoncelli ¦ 1987-2011
Jules Bianchi ¦ 1989-2015
Justin Wilson ¦ 1978-2015

Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

I don't see why Markko got angry at all. It was only a practice session.

Single plane and smaller wings
Ground Effect
Turbos
Smaller tires


And manual gearboxes


There. I have saved F1. I'll take my payment in sim racing goodies and cheap whores from Amsterdam.

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I'd agree, except I want big fat rear tires.

Yeaa, smaller front tyres but only with big fucking rear tyres.

something like this
http://www.ayrton-senna.com.ar/imagenes ... _91_28.jpg


oh, let's stop it. F1 will never be anything close to this again.

There was no ground effect in 1991

hahaha everyone except them knew they couldn't sustain it, idiots.