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Which team do you think will have the upper hand with the new regs?
Poll ended at Mon Feb 21, 2022 6:52 pm
Mercedes 26%  26%  [ 11 ]
Red Bull 17%  17%  [ 7 ]
Ferrari 19%  19%  [ 8 ]
McLaren 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Alpine 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
Alpha Tauri 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Aston Martin 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Williams 2%  2%  [ 1 ]
Alfa Romeo 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Haas 10%  10%  [ 4 ]
Total votes: 42
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I'm normally a sucker for those top-10 videos on YouTube but now WatchMojo released one with top 10 worst F1 crashes.

Not really sure what to think of it. It contains multiple deathly crashes. One the one hand it is in poor taste but on the other hand, TBK started as a place to share these types of videos in the first place.


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Francorchamps has officially been dropped from the 2023 calendar. Bring forth the torches and pitchforks!!!

Haven't seen any official statement. Anyway, what an utter disgrace.
There are so many races that should never have been added to the calendar in the first place: Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Qatar, Bahrain, China, Azerbaijan. Remove those authoritarian regimes and there will be space for Spa, Mugello, Portimao, Hockenheim, Nürburgring and Magny-Cours.

If we only focus on track layout and racing, the ideal pick list would be a mix of those two groups rather than a geography-based choice.

Fun fact for some perspective: the legacy of Spa started in a country culprit of crimes against humanity back then (in Belgian Congo). F1 didn't care about apartheid for decades. Sure, we aim higher nowadays, but truth is F1 has always thrived where there is money, oil, and economic development. This center of gravity is shifting away from Europe in today's world, and F1 naturally follows. In 40 years, this will all seem normal - Bahrain is now an established classic and well-liked venue.


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damn the history of Belgian Congo (and its predecessor, the Congo Free State) makes places like Saudi Arabia and North Korea look like with Switzerland

Liberty should do like that episode from 30 rock where NBC faked Olympic sports where americans won gold to boost audience. Perhaps they should make fake races for Netflix only and let the traditional venues have their traditional races

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If F1 in the 50s took in account the political situation of the country and how nice they were against people in their colonies, we would have had a world championship with only Switzerland and Monaco on the calendar.


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Should have raced in Finland then. No guilty colonial history whatsoever. :p Though we allied with Hitler in WW2, so...never mind. :innocent:

At least there was a non-championship race in Helsinki in 1952. Now that Kymi Ring is in bankruptcy, I think that year will remain the closest thing having a Finnish GP.


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Spa (Belgium), Monza (Italy), Silverstone (England), Monte Carlo (Monaco) and Suzuka (Japan) should be the 5 tracks that can never be removed from the schedule.

Along with those tracks, Germany, France, Canada and Australia should have permanent homes as well (though the tracks may change if needed from their current ones.)

That's only 9 tracks/countries that would have a permanent home on the calendar. Surely there's enough bland, lifeless asphalt and sand in the rest of the world to fill the bank account of Liberty without sacrificing the traditional circuits and countries.

We do not need 3 races in the U.S... Two of which will be gone within a few years anyway.


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westracing01 wrote:

We do not need 3 races in the U.S... Two of which will be gone within a few years anyway.


They're trying hard to at least by not allowing Andretti to join.
If they embraced him and they'd bring in a popular American driver I could easily see another race in the USA being added.


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Ugh... Could you really imagine 4 races in the U.S.?

Their idiocy with Andretti aside, chasing this U.S. market is a fool's errand. We are notoriously fickle.

Actually... I take that back. It could be smart. They know we're fickle and this won't last, so they're just going for the money now while they can. Bastards.


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If they don't accept Andretti before Hamilton retires they will regret a lot

I guess Lewis is quite popular in America, right?

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Should have raced in Finland then. No guilty colonial history whatsoever. :p Though we allied with Hitler in WW2, so...never mind. :innocent:

At least there was a non-championship race in Helsinki in 1952. Now that Kymi Ring is in bankruptcy, I think that year will remain the closest thing having a Finnish GP.

Imagine all the F1 venues you could've paid for instead of buying an EPR nuclear plant from France for whatever tens of billions the budget has reached now :p


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Imagine all the F1 venues you could've paid for instead of buying an EPR nuclear plant from France for whatever tens of billions the budget has reached now :p

Oh, you're aware of Olkiluoto Nuclear Power Plant. That has been the biggest turd ever. Should have been ready in 2009, and it's still not finished. That's going to be a big problem next winter, because normally we buy electricity from Russia. They're even talking about rationing electricity. Whatever happens, electricity prices will skyrocket if it's a cold winter. And Murphy's law will provide it's going to be the coldest winter for 100 years or something.

Yeah, should have built 50 Grade 1 circuits instead with that 11 billion. :roll:


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Spa itself is claiming it will not lose the race in 2023.


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they should resort to emotional blackmail, claiming to fans "oh we want to provide the best show but the devilish right owners are making us run the race on a loss"

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McLaren are going to test at Portimão from the 11th to the 19th.


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red bull and ferrari might have to "just raise the ride height" going forward



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I'm always struggling with those mid-season rule changes.
Now it will affect my driver and benefits Mercedes so obviously I'm leaning towards against it. If Merc was still dominant and this would have slowed them down I'd be more inclined to be for the change.

The middle part of me however says: They made a rule. They stipulated how far and what area of the floor can bent. Teams always will find those loopholes and abuse them. If others fail to do so, it is on them, not on those finding the loophole.

This is the FIA's mistake for not considering potential loopholes. And in those cases you can adjust the rules for the upcoming season but it doesnt apply to the current one.


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Just another slow creep towards having more standard parts. I am pretty shocked that the floor hasn't been speced to be honest.

What was the reasoning behind Merc being allowed to run DAS for the entire year again? I forget. Something that wasn't foreseen in the rules, in the grey area, banned for everyone else but they could run it all year.....


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Just another slow creep towards having more standard parts. I am pretty shocked that the floor hasn't been speced to be honest.

What was the reasoning behind Merc being allowed to run DAS for the entire year again? I forget. Something that wasn't foreseen in the rules, in the grey area, banned for everyone else but they could run it all year.....



Exactly that. And DAS was "discovered" during winter test so it wouldn't even be a mid-season rule change or ban.


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Same with the F-Duct though, it was a clever loophole by Mclaren, then made illegal due to how most teams couldn't copy it where it was safe for the drivers to activate it (Mclaren drivers used their Knee to block the vent, everyone else had to do it with one hand off the wheel)

This case is unique though, if the FIA left it all season they could be open to lawsuits from drivers in the future suffering from lower back pain
Particularly as this is not the first time they tried to do something about it (they had an anti-porpoising rule change ready in 2020 or whenever these rules first came out, but they allowed the teams to say no to it. Whether it was this change or another, nobody knows)

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