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Author:  gkmotorsport [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:06 am ]
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2017 TEAMS AND DRIVERS

Mercedes AMG Petronas Motorsport
44 - Lewis Hamilton (GBR)
77 - Valtteri Bottas (FIN)

Red Bull Racing
3 - Daniel Ricciardo (AUS)
33 - Max Verstappen (NLD)

Scuderia Ferrari
5 - Sebastian Vettel (DEU)
7 - Kimi Räikkönen (FIN)

Sahara Force India F1 Team
11 - Sergio Perez (MEX)
31 - Esteban Ocon (FRA)

Williams Martini Racing
18 - Lance Stroll (CAN)
19 - Felipe Massa (BRA)

McLaren Honda Formula 1 Team
2 - Stoffel Vandoorne (BEL)
14 - Fernando Alonso (ESP)

Scuderia Toro Rosso
26 - Daniil Kvyat (RUS)
55 - Carlos Sainz Jr (ESP)

Haas F1 Team
8 - Romain Grosjean (FRA)
20 - Kevin Magnussen (DNK)

Renault Sport Formula One Team
27 - Nico Hülkenberg (DEU)
30 - Jolyon Palmer (GBR)

Sauber F1 Team
9 - Marcus Ericsson (SWE)
94 - Pascal Wehrlein (DEU)

2017 PRE-SEASON TESTING

27th February - 2nd March - Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona
Day 1 times:
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Day 2 times:
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Day 3 times:
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Day 4 times:
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7th March - 10th March - Circuit de Catalunya, Barcelona

Day 1 times:
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Day 2 times:
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Day 3 times:
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Day 4 times:
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CAR LAUNCHES

20th February
Sauber(Link to thread)

21st February:
Renault(Link to thread)

22nd February:
Force India (Link to thread)

23rd February:
Mercedes (Link to thread)

24th February:
Ferrari (Link to thread)
McLaren (Link to thread)

25th February:
Williams (Link to thread)

26th February:
Haas (Link to thread)
Red Bull (Link to thread)
Toro Rosso (Link to thread)

2017 CALENDAR

March 26: Melbourne, Australia
April 9: Shanghai, China
April 16: Bahrain, Bahrain
April 30: Sochi, Russia
May 14: Barcelona, Spain
May 28: Monte Carlo, Monaco
June 11: Montreal, Canada
June 25: Baku, Azerbaijan
July 9: Spielberg, Austria
July 16: Silverstone, United Kingdom
July 30: Budapest, Hungary
August 27: Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium
September 3: Monza, Italy
September 17: Singapore, Singapore
October 1: Sepang, Malaysia
October 8: Suzuka, Japan
October 22: Austin, USA
October 29: Mexico City, Mexico
November 12: Sao Paolo, Brazil
November 26: Abu Dhabi, UAE
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:57 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 2017 F1 Random Discussion Thread
Just noticed that we don't have a thread for this year.

I'll start! Pascal Wehrlein is reported to have agreed terms with Sauber for a drive this year, which all-but-confirms Bottas to Mercedes. That, and the fact that 'sources' report that Valtteri visited Brackley before Christmas for a seat fitting.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:31 pm ]
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unless Wolff comes up with something very surprising, can't see Bottas and his 77 anywhere than in a Merc
Author:  JJ [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:42 pm ]
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Will be interesting to see how Bottas (TBC) will handle the pressure by Hamilton. So far he hasn't driven against a world class team mate. Massa and Maldonado were quick occasionally but prone to crashes. It was easier to shine against them. Hamilton, on the other hand, will destroy anyone (unless his mind starts wandering). Valtteri is known to be a very cautious driver, but will he be making more mistakes if he tries to outperform Lewis?

Then again, if Mercedes is just as dominant as before, Bottas knows he'll be the first car to win if Hamilton faces problems.
Author:  NVirkkula [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:54 pm ]
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According to the rumors, Bottas should be confirmed tomorrow, Massa the day after.

Why is Wehrlein's number not confirmed? I thought it's always linked to the driver through his career, champion can take #1 if he wants, but no other changes is allowed, correct? Wehrlein should drive number 94 Sauber.
Author:  Omega [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:35 pm ]
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I might be going to the pre season tests again this year, was great fun last year and with plane tickets and hotel included, still cheaper than raceweekend in Francorchamps.
Author:  Fabs [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 7:59 pm ]
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This season will be worse than 2016.

But thanks to Stoffel, I have something to look forward to.

Him retiring probably
Author:  thestig88 [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:01 pm ]
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The whole Wehrlein / Bottas / Mercedes / Massa / Williams thing makes me laugh, all the upcoming talent or already established drivers their is ready to jump into an F1 seat (JEV, Buemi etc) , yet F1 teams only seem interested in clinging onto seasoned veterans or signing pay drivers.
Author:  siggy [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:20 pm ]
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That is corporate decision making for you...
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 10:44 pm ]
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NVirkkula wrote:
According to the rumors, Bottas should be confirmed tomorrow, Massa the day after.

Why is Wehrlein's number not confirmed? I thought it's always linked to the driver through his career, champion can take #1 if he wants, but no other changes is allowed, correct? Wehrlein should drive number 94 Sauber.


Thanks - I wrote up the post at work today, made a mental note to look up his number, and then got distracted :slaphead:
Author:  mclaren2008 [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:20 pm ]
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People who think the new rules are gonna change anything racing-wise are crazy. They are gonna be going so fast and the wake is gonna be so huge, it'll be like 2007 again.
Author:  Neil [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:25 pm ]
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gkmotorsport wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
According to the rumors, Bottas should be confirmed tomorrow, Massa the day after.

Why is Wehrlein's number not confirmed? I thought it's always linked to the driver through his career, champion can take #1 if he wants, but no other changes is allowed, correct? Wehrlein should drive number 94 Sauber.


Thanks - I wrote up the post at work today, made a mental note to look up his number, and then got distracted :slaphead:

You're shit. Worst. OP. EVER.
Author:  kals [ Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:48 pm ]
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Neil wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
According to the rumors, Bottas should be confirmed tomorrow, Massa the day after.

Why is Wehrlein's number not confirmed? I thought it's always linked to the driver through his career, champion can take #1 if he wants, but no other changes is allowed, correct? Wehrlein should drive number 94 Sauber.


Thanks - I wrote up the post at work today, made a mental note to look up his number, and then got distracted :slaphead:

You're shit. Worst. OP. EVER.


He works for McAfee, I mean Intel Security, I mean McAfee, or whatever.

Don't be so hard on him, not his fault his company keeps distracting him with non-important tasks!
Author:  Neil [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:13 am ]
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Like detecting their own AV as a virus?
Author:  Mitchell [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:52 am ]
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Scotty wrote:
And I'm not crazy, mum tells me daily I'm not.


But your profile pic tells me otherwise
Author:  codename_47 [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:56 am ]
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Scotty wrote:
mclaren2008 wrote:
People who think the new rules are gonna change anything racing-wise are crazy. They are gonna be going so fast and the wake is gonna be so huge, it'll be like 2007 again.


Turbulence (more critical than wake size) won't be as big as it was then without the winglets. DRS plugs the gap the any increased wake cause. People are saying DRS is too effective, well it might be less effective in 2017.

You made a comparison to 2007, yet 2008 was no different, and for me was the most exciting season I've seen.

The cars are now going to be aero limited as opposed to power limited, which means Mercedes dominance is gone. Mercedes dominance has been the worst factor for F1 in the last 2 years.

And I'm not crazy, mum tells me daily I'm not.



Yes, now we have Red Bull dominance instead of Mercedes dominance, and whatever you say about Mercedes, at least they let their drivers race each other.

Who'll be the first one here moaning when Red Bull start playing favourites with their wunderkind and yet again screw over the Aussie? :p

(Also IMO, the years when F1 has been an engine formula instead of an aerodynamic formula are the ones where it has been the most interesting. Give me tyres, give me engines, hell give me anything instead of overtaking-ruining aerodynamics any day.
The cars might look good in 2017, but that'll last maybe 1 season before the engineers find a trick, stepped nose style, to ugly-fy them again too. Or when it comes to the engine fins returning, they might already be heading down that road)
Author:  RtN [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 3:58 am ]
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Newey has been doing more with the car now that the aero rules have been opened up again. More chance to innovate.
Author:  NVirkkula [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:54 am ]
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Well, it still might be Mercedes dominance. According to some rumors, Mercedes asked some clarification on suspension rules (probably related to e-FRIC or what ever they call it).

FIA/Whiting gave the clarifications just before Christmas and it is said to make Red Bull's system illegal.

Last season Red Bull had "dynamic suspension travel" system, which tilted the cars from positive rake towards negative on straights, which decreases the wing angle and gives more straightline speed. Kinda what IndyCar used to do because of their wing angles were fixed to some minimum by the rules.

Funny how that system combines the rake adjustment that I demonstrated in this topic years ago: :roll:
http://tbk-light.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7178

Hey Red Bull, I want my share from your last years revenues, you darn idea thiefs! :twisted:


So yeah, get ready for Merc 1-2 again, their rule bending e-FRIC is legal thanks for abusing vanity panel rule and Manor using 2014 chassis in 2015 with added part on the front. The only hope now is that Ferrari has used bonkers amount of cash to copy that idea as other teams are probably not going to do so because the Mercedes system is only going to be illegal for 2018 season.
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:08 am ]
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kals wrote:
He works for McAfee, I mean Intel Security, I mean McAfee, or whatever.


We are 'McAfee by Intel Security' at the moment. Just McAfee soon. Obviously while snipers watch for John McAfee...

Neil wrote:
Like detecting their own AV as a virus?


How VERY DARE you! We steer well clear of the consumer AV products here, thank you very much :whistling:
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:11 am ]
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Scotty wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
Funny how that system combines the rake adjustment that I demonstrated in this topic years ago: :roll:
http://tbk-light.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=7178

Hey Red Bull, I want my share from your last years revenues, you darn idea thiefs! :twisted:


They've been doing it for years, using brake bias and setting the suspension soft at the front to achieve this.

Last time we had sweeping aero changes a little team could Brawn pulled a fast one on us, so there is no way anyone can positively say someone will be dominant. Williams, Renault, Force India heck even Sauber (doubtful) could have something brewing that could fast track them to the front.


+1 on both points. Red Bull's crazy rake setup has been a fundamental part of their car concept since 2010-ish.

Also I think that one of the other teams is going to jump up the order. Maybe not to the front, but this sort of unexpected leap always happens when there are big chassis or aero changes. A third of the grid has a top engine already, so all they need is a breakthrough elswhere.
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