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But this is F1!! Not DTM.
Im not talking about racing. Im talking about F1 should be faster, harder, more power, tougher on drivers like 10 years ago.... and a decent sound. And this one will be 3 or 5 slower than last year. Even the GP2 cars can keep up now with new F1 cars!!!
I dont think its normal, but i agree a change was needed to stop the RBR dominance... but not with the engines..

I think they will be slower 3 or 5 sec. Why? First weaker engine V6, less HP. Lower rpm 15 000 then last year.
Even if they have double HP on ERS and DRS is still there i dont think they will be close to last years cars...
Maybe in Monaco or Hungary but the rest not..

But i hope im wrong, 1 or 2 sec would be ok

F1 is still comfortably the fastest category on a non-oval circuit. The designers are currently predicting that the cars will be around 1 second per lap slower than last year, or thereabouts, so I don't see how a GP2 car will get anywhere near them still.

I'm treasuring the concept of reliability not being utterly bullet proof for the first time in years.

Also, someone has to say it - did Force India deliberately paint the gigantic dildo crash structure black?

Author:	StefMeister [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:53 am ]
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I gather the green led's the cars have below the camera on the roll-bar is something to do with the ERS?

Author:	Fish88 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:57 am ]
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The cars seriously sound awesome IMO.

Author:	JJ [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:59 am ]
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Holy moly that Force India's......can't dare to say it. Guess F1 comics will be Hentai from now on.

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:18 am ]
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alex1369 wrote: But this is F1!! Not DTM. Im not talking about racing. Im talking about F1 should be faster, harder, more power, tougher on drivers like 10 years ago.... and a decent sound. And this one will be 3 or 5 slower than last year. Even the GP2 cars can keep up now with new F1 cars!!! I dont think its normal, but i agree a change was needed to stop the RBR dominance... but not with the engines.. F1 is still comfortably the fastest category on a non-oval circuit. The designers are currently predicting that the cars will be around 1 second per lap slower than last year, or thereabouts, so I don't see how a GP2 car will get anywhere near them still. Much as we all prefer the big V10s and V12s, the fact is that we no longer live in the early 90s, and those engines have precisely zero relevance to any other car these days. It's a shame, but the manufacturers are the ones putting the money in to propel the cars, so they need something that is at least mildly related to their core business. Plus, they still sound awesome.

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:18 am ]
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...oh, and well done to whoever designed the RB10's livery - I actually couldn't see the nosewang at first!

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Author:	alex1369 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:30 am ]
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I think they will be slower 3 or 5 sec. Why? First weaker engine V6, less HP. Lower rpm 15 000 then last year. Even if they have double HP on ERS and DRS is still there i dont think they will be close to last years cars... Maybe in Monaco or Hungary but the rest not.. But i hope im wrong, 1 or 2 sec would be ok

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:39 am ]
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alex1369 wrote: I think they will be slower 3 or 5 sec. Why? First weaker engine V6, less HP. Lower rpm 15 000 then last year. Even if they have double HP on ERS and DRS is still there i dont think they will be close to last years cars... Maybe in Monaco or Hungary but the rest not.. But i hope im wrong, 1 or 2 sec would be ok The lower RPM won't really influence things, as the limit on fuel flow will be far more important. But to be honest, I don't think getting fixated on the outright performance of the cars is worth it. Historically, the racing tends to be crap whenever the cars near their theoretical maximum performance - think 2002, 1992-93, 1988, etc. On the other hand, reducing the performance in some area always seems to spice things up - think Pirelli, any time it rained during the Bridgestone era. 1995 always stands out for me - they trimmed the available downforce, and it seemed as though anyone could make a small error and throw the car off the track. It's not all about horsepower.

Author:	Coldtyre [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:41 am ]
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I wonder if the penis appendage actually works as a crumbling structure for crash-tests. It seems that any impact that is not fair and square will just break it off and let the rest of the nose do the job (especially the FI one).

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:48 am ]
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AFAIK the nosewang* is the crash structure. The teams have been trying to balance the slimmest nose possible, for aero reasons, against the mass necessary to pass the frontal impact test. * I do like how we've all come up with different names for this appendage.

Author:	Artur Craft [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:58 am ]
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gkmotorsport wrote: F1 is still comfortably the fastest category on a non-oval circuit. The designers are currently predicting that the cars will be around 1 second per lap slower than last year, or thereabouts, so I don't see how a GP2 car will get anywhere near them still. I never read anybody claim the cars to be only 1s off. Given that the tyres will be slightly harder, according to Pirelli, the cars will be some 50kg heavier, there will be inevitably much less downforce, and surely less power on parts of the lap, it's highly unlikely to be only a second off from last year's car. I think alex's prediction is far closer to what we'll have and that would leave F1s quite close to GP2s(which have 610HP engines)

Author:	StefMeister [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:03 pm ]
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Like with all rule changes that slow them down, I'd expect much of the performance loss to be clawed back pretty quickly. Maybe at the start of this year cars will be upto 3-4 seconds slower than in the past, But by the end of the year & especially for 2015 I'd expect that difference to be lower.

Author:	mclaren2008 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:13 pm ]
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Do the new engines have any problems with throttle lag?

Author:	Fish88 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:15 pm ]
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matthew wrote: Some vids with sound! http://web.stagram.com/p/643246085212736977_9849354 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8o9JlP1BFg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAqsrI9f3-Y This video is seriously awesome. [youtubeidiot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAqsrI9f3-Y[/youtubeidiot]

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:16 pm ]
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Yes, I think you're right, and I've mis-remembered somewhere. Bernie thinks about 5 seconds, although that is Bernie, and Charlie had predicted 2-3 seconds slower. It remains to be seen, but they do always manage to claw back any time difference pretty quickly.

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Author:	hedgey666 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:20 pm ]
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I'm treasuring the concept of reliability not being utterly bullet proof for the first time in years. Also, someone has to say it - did Force India deliberately paint the gigantic dildo crash structure black?

Author:	StefMeister [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:21 pm ]
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Some vids of cars out on track: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwD68EefdP4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpwYb0ZbLM0

Author:	cambridge [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:21 pm ]
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if those at Durex don't come back this year as a f1 sponsor they will never do!

Author:	hedgey666 [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:24 pm ]
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Also, will they have to pixelate the TV coverage of the FI and Torro Rosso in case children are watching?

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:25 pm ]
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hedgey666 wrote: I'm treasuring the concept of reliability not being utterly bullet proof for the first time in years. Also, someone has to say it - did Force India deliberately paint the gigantic dildo crash structure black? They did, and so did Red Bull. Pre-watershed coverage is going to be a nightmare

Author:	gkmotorsport [ Tue Jan 28, 2014 12:34 pm ]
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Looks like the teams are heading for an early lunch, so time for the current standings: Spoiler: 1. Hamilton 1:29.662 (10 laps) 2. Vergne 1:36.530 (11 laps) Yes, that's all. Raikkonen, Perez and Gutierrez have done a smattering of installation laps, and the rest of the teams have yet to venture out. Gary Anderson is apparently surprised at how little running there has been.