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Sorry, but what on earth are you talking about? Kob ran him off the road. What's he meant to do? Teleport behind him?

Well since he knew from 2009 that going over the line would result in a penalty, I guess I'm saying he should've not gone over the line and the Sauber would've caused an accident.

That's what the FIA seems to want with all these bullshit penalties anyway.

Like I said before, hold the line and blame Koba for any accident.

So his option is get driven into and retire, or avoid an accident and hope the stewards don't give him a penalty?

I'd chose what Mark did. Anyone would. You don't just not react when a car is about to drive into you.

Yeah, the benefit of hindsight is we get to put a lot more thought into split second decisions than the drivers ever get to, but looking back on the 2009 highlights on the BBC website I saw Mark do the same thing and thought "he knew the consequences of going over that line and still did it...."

I guess that's the box the FIA puts the drivers in these days....

I think that's a silly arguement. While racing wheel to wheel with Koba and in that split second when he was being moved over the curbs and out of the circuit boundaries I doubt Mark thought back to 2009...

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Yeah exactly. I understand the point, but it doesn't really work. And the other argument of "Let him drive into you" doesn't work either IMO.

Of course this would be resolved if F1 had a wall there, not tarmac.

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Frankly they don't need the kerb and white line there in the first place.

Put a wall there at a relatively high speed corner and suddenly it's a very dangerous corner with no run off. Or you take away the kerb and it changes the corner to very very high speed, with no run off, no real braking zone, and no chance of overtaking.

The best solution would be if drivers drivers didn't run others off the road. Or if the FIA obeyed it's own rules. Webber and the circuit are not at fault IMO.

I think you mean to say...

...respect your fellow competitors.

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Numbers : Maldonado's apex speed in qualifying was 120 kph (75 mph). So I can imagine how it would be with no kerb. But had there been a wall right over the white line, the corner would be more similar to Ste-Dévote I would say. The apex speed could be significantly lower too. I don't know which option is best, but anything could be done there actually

Monza style speedbump on the outside?

Cos you know, they were really popular 2 weeks ago....

if monaco can be raced on and deemed "not dangerous" put a damn wall there.

That's not how safety works. Monaco was grandfathered in because it already exists. Sane reason the Dunlop bridge at LM is still there despite not conforming with minimum height rules. It's also why donington was allowed the bridge but after it was removed it couldn't go back in.

Old existing circuits and structures can be grand fathered in (within reason). New things can't.

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What Webber should have done is run wide to avoid an accident, let Koba pass him again to avoid a penalty and then file a protest against Koba for pushing him off the road.

And then hope it won't take the stewards hours to make a decision

Is it not possible to install a patch of astroturf where Webber ran off?

Finally some sense, this option seemed to have been completely forgotten in the discussion.

The area outside the track did its job of allowing Webber to take evasive action and avoid a collision. You can use run-off for emergencies and not being penalized, just don't keep your foot down and gain laptime or position advantage. If someone put you there illegally, then tough luck, two wrongs don't make a right.

This being said, I still think penalties are stupid, trigger-happy officials are stupid, and tarmac run-offs at the exit of slow-ass corners are stupid. Put some nice grass over there like in Adelaide.

How exactly can you put grass in the middle of the street?

Why should Webber fall back and protest Kobs move? So he could get shifted ahead? Like...what happened in the pass? Kob broke the rules, and the result of a penalty would be getting moved behind Webber, which had already happened.