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Isnt that the general job of the commentator, to know things?

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"Well we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past and we don't seem to be getting one!" James Hunt - Monaco 1982

That's something I have also great difficulties with, corner names... I'm watching F1 since 1986; but I don't get much further recogniszing Eau Rouge, Blanchimont and Parabolica I'm afraid...

It's interesting looking on Hamilton qualifying laps in Istanbul and Silverstone, available at formula1.com, that he even brakes for turns 8 in Turkey and Copse in Silverstone while the Red Bulls were doing that corners flat out even on FPs with used hard tyres and more fuel onboard.

I guess such huge downforce differences between the best car and the 3rd/2nd hadn't happened since 78/79 with the revolutionary Lotus.

Red Bull is just ->

I can remember every corner name at Silverstone, most of Spa but thats about it.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011

Although I agree that they do have an advantage, I think it's more a case that the faster corners really suit their car, whereas McLaren are a bit better in the slower stuff. Silverstone is pretty much one large ribbon of fast corners so it perfectly suited the Red Bull again this year - I think McLaren will be a little closer come Hockenheim.

Surely Monaco has corners more easy to name? Sainte Devote all the way back to Rascasse. Mind you i forget what the two corners between lowes and the tunnel are.

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"Well we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past and we don't seem to be getting one!" James Hunt - Monaco 1982

Actually MaTT, I was talking exclusively how much more downforce and therefore speed in corners the Red Bulls have. I know in other circuits things can change a lot as seem in Monaco where the Renault was almost the best car, at least in Kubica's hand.

Portier is the right hander before the tunnel. I know Silverstone is Copse-Maggots-Becketts-Chapel-Stowe-Vale-Club-Abbey-Farm-Village-The Loop-Aintree-Brooklands-Luffield-Woodcote.

I know most of Spa but usually forget one or two. Monaco's are easy to remember as well. Sadly most of the new tracks (Malaysia, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi) don't have names for turns.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011

9 times out of 10 all of us when watching the coverage as soon as something happends at a certain turn would recognise it straight away anyways wether we know the name of the corner or not.

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"Well we've got this ridiculous situation where we're all sitting by the start-finish line waiting for a winner to come past and we don't seem to be getting one!" James Hunt - Monaco 1982

I tried to learn some of the newer circuits (Valencia, Singapore) by writing down the adverts on the map.

Sepang has names for virtually every corner

Wow, never knew that.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011

yeah, but because there kinda Malaysian and some just like city names or whatever the commentators dont use them.

FIA was not so fast and good as they said. Another race destroying decision for Ferrari.

[spoiler]Ferrari was not given an immediate order by the FIA for Fernando Alonso to give back his position to Robert Kubica at Silverstone, according to newly-published information relating to the pit wall radio conversations that took place during the British Grand Prix.

FIA race director Charlie Whiting told Italian magazine Autosprint earlier this week that he advised Ferrari straight away to let Kubica retake his position from Alonso.

However, according to a detailed report in Gazzetta dello Sport today, the team's version of events is very different.

Massimo Rivola, Ferrari's team manager, told the newspaper: "This is not polemics, these are elements to clarify why Ferrari made certain decisions and the logic behind them, after Alonso's move on Kubica."

According to Gazzetta dello Sport, this is the chronology of the events from Ferrari's perspective.

13:31:05 The overtaking move takes place at Club and after one second Rivola calls Whiting, who replies after 11 seconds. Rivola asks: 'Have you seen the pass? In our opinion there was no room to overtake.'

26 secs after the pass, Whiting asks to be given time to watch the TV footage.

13:33 Ferrari makes a second radio call - 1m55s after the pass. Alonso has completed another lap plus one sector, and is behind Nico Rosberg and Jaime Alguersuari, while Kubica drops further back.

Whiting tells Ferrari that the stewards think Alonso could give the position back. Rivola asks: 'Is this the decision?'

Whiting replies: 'No, but that's how we see it.'

Rivola informs the team while Rosberg overtakes Alguersuari. On the GPS screen that shows the position of the cars, Ferrari sees Kubica dropping further back. Meanwhile, Alonso overtakes Alguersuari at Turn 2.

13:33:22 Ferrari makes a third radio call.

Rivola tells Whiting: 'Alonso doesn't have only Kubica behind. He would have to concede two positions now.'

While they discuss the matter Kubica is overtaken by Barrichello so Alonso would have to now give up three positions.

Whiting replies: 'We have given you the chance to do it or not. Things being this way, the stewards will hear the drivers at the end of the race, but I understand your position.'

13:35:30 Kubica stops so Alonso can no longer give the position back.

13:45:31 The stewards investigate the Alonso/Kubica incident. The monitors then display 'car number 8 under investigation', 14m26s after the pass.

13:46:26 Just 55 seconds later the stewards decide that Alonso should have a drive-through penalty.[/spoiler]

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Source? Wild guess: it's italian.

should have just let him pass again one corner later, problem solved

This...



...and this.

Alonso could have backed off at Vale but he didn't. He screwed his own race this time.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011

Whiting and his crew was obviously incompetent in their mixed and ambiguous communication with Ferrari (given that radio communication is not bogus), but Alonso ultimately deserved such a penalty anyway, since whatever the reason that causes a corner cutting, a position advancement is an advantage taken.

Any Ferrari fans bitching about it - the same happened to McLaren when Charlie said Lewis' move at Spa was okay...

Different sides have different interpretations of what is said, naturally - its just a case of how you interpret said words. From what it sounds like, the stewards were not concrete in their statements, but equally, the most experienced team on the grid with a double world champion should have firstly realised the move was wrong and secondly, seen that what Charlie said (not concrete) should have been taken as solid evidence. Therefore Ferrari have no right to cry over the penalty.

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Dan Wheldon | 1978 - 2011