2011 Grand Prix de Monaco

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:00 pm

FIA has ever heard of SAFER barriers?

RtN · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:00 pm

Gabriel wrote:

FIA has ever heard of SAFER barriers?

They do use a form of SAFER barrier at Barcelona (that awful chicane) and all around Abu Dhabi.

Schumifan · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:02 pm

Thought they used the same barriers at Abu Dhabi as they do here?

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:02 pm

I've supported Alguersuari since he came into F1, but I have to admit maybe he needs to be dropped soon. No pace this year, poor racecraft and now this. Conversely, Buemi has upped it this year

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:04 pm

This barrier was good. A tyrewall would have torn that car apart

RtN · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:04 pm

Schumifan wrote:

Thought they used the same barriers at Abu Dhabi as they do here?

It might be a mix.

But the FIA are aware (and do employ) the technology.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:05 pm

Vettel made a few mistakes on his lap as well. Might even have touched the 1.12s had he nailed it.

Gaara · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:05 pm

SAFER barrier wouldn't have been any different in this case.

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:05 pm

phil1993 wrote:

I've supported Alguersuari since he came into F1, but I have to admit maybe he needs to be dropped soon. No pace this year, poor racecraft and now this. Conversely, Buemi has upped it this year

They need to put Ricciardo in that car asap.

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:07 pm

Gaara wrote:

SAFER barrier wouldn't have been any different in this case.

I think it would, if used well. You'll never have a safe place there if the wall is fucking perpendicular to the way the cars will approach.

amq55 · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:09 pm

SAFER + TecPro would probably be the right mix.

Gaara · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:09 pm

Gabriel wrote:

Gaara wrote:

SAFER barrier wouldn't have been any different in this case.

I think it would, if used well. You'll never have a safe place there if the wall is fucking perpendicular to the way the cars will approach.

You couldn't do it there, you'll just deflect the car into an even bigger accident.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:10 pm

I'm sure the FIA will look at it, but what can they do?

They can't move the barrier back, thats impossible and it would leave an open exit to the chicane
They can't bypass the chicane because that would be more dangerous and leave Tabac as a corner you approach at 190mph
Getting rid of any bumps is also going to be nigh on impossible on a street circuit.

Its a cause for concern because this has happened four times this weekend - Liuzzi, Petrov, Rosberg and Perez.

Fabs · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:11 pm

Makuro wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

So the FIA ban the DRS in the tunnel for safety. We still end up having a massive crash.

Now imagine if both Perez and Rosberg were with their DRS active when they crashed.

That's impossible as DRS deactivates once on the brakes.

Schumifan · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:13 pm

phil1993 wrote:

I'm sure the FIA will look at it, but what can they do?

They can't move the barrier back, thats impossible and it would leave an open exit to the chicane
They can't bypass the chicane because that would be more dangerous and leave Tabac as a corner you approach at 190mph
Getting rid of any bumps is also going to be nigh on impossible on a street circuit.

Its a cause for concern because this has happened four times this weekend - Liuzzi, Petrov, Rosberg and Perez.

b) bypass chicane

Makuro · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:14 pm

Fabs wrote:

Makuro wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

So the FIA ban the DRS in the tunnel for safety. We still end up having a massive crash.

Now imagine if both Perez and Rosberg were with their DRS active when they crashed.

That's impossible as DRS deactivates once on the brakes.

True but the speed that they carry will be higher, making it harder to stop.

amq55 · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:15 pm

Schumifan wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

I'm sure the FIA will look at it, but what can they do?

They can't move the barrier back, thats impossible and it would leave an open exit to the chicane
They can't bypass the chicane because that would be more dangerous and leave Tabac as a corner you approach at 190mph
Getting rid of any bumps is also going to be nigh on impossible on a street circuit.

Its a cause for concern because this has happened four times this weekend - Liuzzi, Petrov, Rosberg and Perez.

b) bypass chicane

Heck yeah, GPL style. Whoever can go past that in full throttle without crashing gets a point.

RtN · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:16 pm

Schumifan wrote:

phil1993 wrote:

I'm sure the FIA will look at it, but what can they do?

They can't move the barrier back, thats impossible and it would leave an open exit to the chicane
They can't bypass the chicane because that would be more dangerous and leave Tabac as a corner you approach at 190mph
Getting rid of any bumps is also going to be nigh on impossible on a street circuit.

Its a cause for concern because this has happened four times this weekend - Liuzzi, Petrov, Rosberg and Perez.

b) bypass chicane

You saw what happened to Grosjean a couple of years ago.

If they went at Tabac at 180+ you'd have people clearing the paddock and landing on the start gantry.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:18 pm

Makuro wrote:

True but the speed that they carry will be higher, making it harder to stop.

Actually, had they had DRS, they'd need to brake earlier and this might have braked before the bump, alleviating the problem.

Gabriel · PostPosted: Sat May 28, 2011 3:19 pm

I guess they'll have to put gravel there, then.

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