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Author:  SBan83 [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:28 pm ]
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Brod wrote:
Really gets too much imo, every driver drives for himself but not against others.

I still saw more drivers racing against others in this race than I ever did during the pre-Pirelli era, when virtually all the passing was in the pits.
Author:  Magnifico [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:28 pm ]
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Fermani2. Go back and watch Hungary 2004. No race will ever manage to be shitty than that excuse for a race. The Bridgestone era had plenty of woeful races. Heck even 3 years back in 2010 had far too many races of utter tedium.

Not the most exciting but as an Alonso fan happy to see him back into the Championship hunt. Still 17 behind Vettel though. Monaco should be wacky races should the Mercedes manage to qualify on the front row.

Webber's shitty starts as a predictable as Alonso's good ones. Bianchi. :thumbsup:
Author:  Gaara [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:28 pm ]
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That's interesting. It's because of that metal strip that it looks like the tyres got an issue. It's a standard puncture but that stops it from going flat and coming off.

Alonso would have had a complete puncture without it.
Author:  Karan [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:29 pm ]
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kals wrote:
Karan wrote:
Brod wrote:
Vettel just said in an interview, that he couldn't push one single lap and that this is very frustrating.

Really gets too much imo, every driver drives for himself but not against others.


A quote from the man in your avatar about it being like driving on egg shells and not really being able to race, sums it up pretty well unfortunately...


So did neither of you (or Vettel and Schumacher for that fact) notice what Alonso and Ferrari (plus Massa) did? That pretty much conclusively proves the point you're both trying to make wrong.


I didn't realize we were only to focus on 2 cars out of the entire grid. My bad. Yes you're right there was racing. Thanks to the Ferrari's for saving us :)
Author:  phil1993 [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:31 pm ]
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Paul Hembery ‏@PaulHembery 18s
We aim for 2-3 pit stops. Today was too many, we got it wrong, too aggressive. We will make changes, probably from Silverstone.
Author:  Fabs [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:38 pm ]
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Races will suck even more from Silverstone on then :flag:
Author:  nightflight [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:45 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote:
Paul Hembery ‏@PaulHembery 18s
We aim for 2-3 pit stops. Today was too many, we got it wrong, too aggressive. We will make changes, probably from Silverstone.


Good idea :thumbsup:
Author:  kals [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:51 pm ]
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Karan wrote:
I didn't realize we were only to focus on 2 cars out of the entire grid. My bad. Yes you're right there was racing. Thanks to the Ferrari's for saving us :)


Have a think about what you're complaining about, which I understand to be the fact that you don't believe you can use the Pirelli tyres to push hard lap after lap, race other, etc... but instead have to conserve and just drive slowly.

Today Ferrari did the opposite, pushed hard lap after lap and therefore made extra stop as a consequence. Alonso finished over 30 seconds up the road compared to Vettel.

It doesn't matter how many cars did this alternate strategy, one is enough to make all the naysayers about Pirelli tyre conservation being a problem look utterly foolish.
Author:  karaokequeen3 [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:52 pm ]
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Berger!
Author:  glorfindel [ Sun May 12, 2013 3:54 pm ]
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Brod wrote:
Vettel just said in an interview, that he couldn't push one single lap and that this is very frustrating.

Really gets too much imo, every driver drives for himself but not against others.

Should get his team to sort the car out then so he can push. Every team has the same tyres, if others are able to go faster then they must have done better with the car. It is not all about the drivers remember.

Although I do wonder if they aren't a bit too far to the degradable side.
Author:  Gaara [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:00 pm ]
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Seem intent to fully check over Alonso's car, make sure it is legal.
Author:  Karan [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:09 pm ]
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kals wrote:
Karan wrote:
I didn't realize we were only to focus on 2 cars out of the entire grid. My bad. Yes you're right there was racing. Thanks to the Ferrari's for saving us :)


Have a think about what you're complaining about, which I understand to be the fact that you don't believe you can use the Pirelli tyres to push hard lap after lap, race other, etc... but instead have to conserve and just drive slowly.

Today Ferrari did the opposite, pushed hard lap after lap and therefore made extra stop as a consequence. Alonso finished over 30 seconds up the road compared to Vettel.

It doesn't matter how many cars did this alternate strategy, one is enough to make all the naysayers about Pirelli tyre conservation being a problem look utterly foolish.


Actually it does matter. But I guess that makes me and several others look utterly foolish for wanting to see more than 2 cars on the grid be able to race without prematurely wearing out their tires. Oh well, glad to see that at least Paul Hembery acknowledges it. As long as he gets it, I'm fine with looking utterly foolish in your important eyes ;)
Author:  Gaara [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:11 pm ]
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You can fit the third placed trophy inside the winners trophy :lol:
Author:  StanV [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:17 pm ]
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This thread started so well :(
Author:  EAS [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:49 pm ]
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Fabs wrote:
Races will suck even more from Silverstone on then :flag:


People will moan even more. As they did in 07-08 when we knew the winner after the first pit-stops of the race, as they did in 2005, as they'd do right after Dijon 79.
Author:  RtN [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:50 pm ]
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@andrewbenson: “@alex_wurz: @
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Andrewbensonf1 disagree w Horner. would agree if my team were purely geared around aero. Now we have new area, get on with it”


From Wurz to Benson, if it's a bit hard to follow.
Author:  phil1993 [ Sun May 12, 2013 4:51 pm ]
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I do like that whole "it's confusing for the fans when there's 4 stops" comment.

Because obviously, we understand the Coanda exhaust, the coke bottle effect, DDRS, wing stalling etc yet we're not advanced enough to remember how many stops everyone makes.

Can't they [Horner] just come out and say "Fucking tyres, fewer stops would help us"...
Author:  ellis [ Sun May 12, 2013 5:00 pm ]
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It's not confusing for the fans, but it is worse for the fans. We had the possibility of having a 5 stopper.

But the problem isn't the number of pit stops, it's the fact that the drivers are cruising. As Brundle pointed out, there has always been conservation in some form in F1. Whether it's fuel, or reliability, and now tyres. But it's gone way beyond that and we have entire races where you can't even get close to a proper race pace. It is now faster to drive around slowly so the tyres don't die.

I don't want the tyres to be made harder just so Red Bull will do better (even though everyone is happily ignoring that Mercedes would benefit by FAR the most on the grid), but I do think this is taking the piss now. Ignore DRS and KERS and silly wing shapes and whatever - I think Pirelli are responsible for the fantastic turn around in F1 action levels. But I think they've gone too far now and it needs to come back a bit. Hard tyres should not be requiring 4 or 5 stop strategies and low speed runs.
Author:  cookie [ Sun May 12, 2013 5:11 pm ]
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ellis wrote:
It's not confusing for the fans, but it is worse for the fans. We had the possibility of having a 5 stopper.

But the problem isn't the number of pit stops, it's the fact that the drivers are cruising. As Brundle pointed out, there has always been conservation in some form in F1. Whether it's fuel, or reliability, and now tyres. But it's gone way beyond that and we have entire races where you can't even get close to a proper race pace. It is now faster to drive around slowly so the tyres don't die.

I don't want the tyres to be made harder just so Red Bull will do better (even though everyone is happily ignoring that Mercedes would benefit by FAR the most on the grid), but I do think this is taking the piss now. Ignore DRS and KERS and silly wing shapes and whatever - I think Pirelli are responsible for the fantastic turn around in F1 action levels. But I think they've gone too far now and it needs to come back a bit. Hard tyres should not be requiring 4 or 5 stop strategies and low speed runs.


The hard tyres were made softer because last year after the summer break we even saw 1 stop races. I think they should just keep these compounds they have, because later in the year the teams will understand the tyres 100% again and we will get fewer stops (but still have 2 to 3 and not just 1 stop)
Author:  Fergo [ Sun May 12, 2013 5:15 pm ]
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Quote:
Fernando Alonso summoned to see stewards for 'receiving an object after the end-of-race signal.' He took a Spanish flag from a marshal

https://twitter.com/NobleF1/status/333615995329597440

Surely this won't incur a penalty?
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