2013 Random F1 Discussion

phil1993 · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:45 pm

I think someone would be smart to get into the Caterham for 2014.

kals · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:49 pm

Why? You keep bigging up Caterham for 2014, and yet your accuracy of predictions is somewhat questionable.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:54 pm

kals wrote:

Why? You keep bigging up Caterham for 2014, and yet your accuracy of predictions is somewhat questionable.

- They have an ample midfield budget
- They abandoned 2013 in favour of 2014 (a decision made in mid/late 2012)
- The Renault engine should be strong

I don't suddenly expect them to be winning, but they should be in the midfield.

Gaara · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:58 pm

So they'll get through Q1 a couple of times next year?

kals · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:00 pm

I'm skeptical about all of that, because

- They already have an ample midfield budget
- They already have a strong technical team
- They've had the back end of a Red Bull since 2011
- They've had one of the best engines on the grid since 2011

And yet they are still barely beating Marussia, who by comparison have done a great job. Using the logic of abandoning one season to favour another doesn't always work either.

gd49 · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:24 pm

BrainPain wrote:

I would laugh my ass off if Sauber ends up making a race-winning car next year and Rubens gets a win or two.

If he'd held onto his seat at Williams for another year think he would have got a few podiums in that car.

phil1993 · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:27 pm

RtN wrote:

Gutierrez has had plenty of support in the three years he has been part of the team. They have tried to nurture him, to help him develop as best they could. In their opinion, he doesn't seem up to it.

I simply hold the same opinion Sauber does. That opinion could lead them, at the moment, to a Rubens\Sirotkin partnership for next year.

For the record, a Rubens\Gutierrez partnership would almost certainly be better than Rubens\Sirotkin, but that would be dependent on Sirotkin not getting a Superlicense.

I'm probably wrong (as ever), but Rubens made his GP debut two years before Sirotkin was born. Has it ever happened before where one driver wasn't even born when his team-mate made his debut?

Cheeveer · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:40 pm

phil1993 wrote:

RtN wrote:

Gutierrez has had plenty of support in the three years he has been part of the team. They have tried to nurture him, to help him develop as best they could. In their opinion, he doesn't seem up to it.

I simply hold the same opinion Sauber does. That opinion could lead them, at the moment, to a Rubens\Sirotkin partnership for next year.

For the record, a Rubens\Gutierrez partnership would almost certainly be better than Rubens\Sirotkin, but that would be dependent on Sirotkin not getting a Superlicense.

I'm probably wrong (as ever), but Rubens made his GP debut two years before Sirotkin was born. Has it ever happened before where one driver wasn't even born when his team-mate made his debut?

Nope. Only time that'd work would be if you would count the pre-war GP races. Piero Taruffi ran the Mille Miglia in 1930, the same year as Stirling Moss was born, for example, and Louis Chiron and some others were active in the 1920's.

OS · PostPosted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 7:55 pm

phil1993 wrote:

kals wrote:

Why? You keep bigging up Caterham for 2014, and yet your accuracy of predictions is somewhat questionable.

- They have an ample midfield budget
- They abandoned 2013 in favour of 2014 (a decision made in mid/late 2012)
- The Renault engine should be strong

I don't suddenly expect them to be winning, but they should be in the midfield.

From what I understand (old information cerca Barcelona Testing), they abandoned 2013 because they didn't have an ample midfield budget ... they couldn't afford to pay Kovalainen, I don't think he would have been breaking the bank for an ample midfield team.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:48 am

Rosberg and the Mercedes engineers (via the medium of Gary Anderson) helpfully explain the real reason why Vettel was lapping 2 seconds quicker than them at Singapore.

Quote:

Behind him, in second place, Nico Rosberg was in the same position on strategy, but he had bits of discarded tyre rubber lodged in the front wing of his Mercedes. Rosberg said in Korea on Thursday that his engineers had worked out that this cost him downforce worth 1.7 seconds a lap.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/24386679

alex1369 · PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 12:56 am

Here is video i of the RBRs front wing wich solves the tyre rubber issue on front wing!!
- cant belive nobody of F1 teams saw this. Its on since Silverstone...
Here is the video
http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2013/0/1087.html

kals · PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 4:36 am

That's old news. I remember that being talked about during the Singapore GP.

RtN · PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:15 pm

Mark Hughes says that McLaren still want Alonso for next year.

RtN · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:35 pm

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110366

Aw.

One of the other Sauber rumours going around is that the team might be persuaded to take Petrov for a season instead of Sirotkin whilst he builds up more experience.

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 12:49 pm

McLaren to announce 'headline grabbing' technical staff:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110365

kals · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:09 pm

RtN wrote:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110366

Aw.

One of the other Sauber rumours going around is that the team might be persuaded to take Petrov for a season instead of Sirotkin whilst he builds up more experience.

Finally, common sense has prevailed. I'm no fan of Petrov but he makes more sense than Sirotkin who needs more experience. Or if the new owners insist on a Russian, then there's that other driver who won FR3.5 a few years back who I rate much higher than Petrov.

kals · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:16 pm

Mika Kimi wrote:

McLaren to announce 'headline grabbing' technical staff:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/110365

Considering the quality McLaren's most recent acquisitions I fully expect this "major tech signing" will be either Nigel Stepney or them re-hiring Mike Coughlan. Or perhaps they'll be embarking on a technical relationship with Nick Wirth.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:18 pm

Welcome back to F1 Dave Richards, Craig Pollack and Jonathan Palmer lol

Oh, and Whitmarsh is fired and Flavio will be running the team from now on.

kals · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:21 pm

lol Flavio running the squeaky clean McLaren answering to Ron Dennis. Boy I'd like to be a fly on the wall in those board meetings.

Gaara · PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 3:23 pm

And Alonso to partner Button? '07 all over again XD

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