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Another way to put that into perspective - Vettel won 3 titles. Hamilton won 0 titles.

My question was about the relative performance of the teammates, seeing as by some Webber and Button are rated the same. Comparing Webber's and Button's results as if they were driving identical cars is a tad misleading, wouldn't you think?

Webber had the better car but only finished ahead of Button once in the championship table.

Did he have a better car though? Definitely in 2011, but in 2010 and 2012 there were large sections of the seasons where the McLaren was easily equal if not at times better.

Looking only at the results or the stats is completely misleading and as I've already said, stats can say whatever you want them to say. Looking at individual performances through 2012 for instance, Button was extremely poor. As has been mentioned, after his win in Australia Button had a very poor run through to Belgium. Webber on the other hand had how many reliability issues, with KERS amongst other things?

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Wasn't all Button though, McLaren admitted they screwed up the suspension in Canada. When a driver like Button is eating up the tyres that quickly you know it's down to the car.

Come Silverstone even Hamilton struggled.

Oh yeah, there were one or two occasions. But they were just that. One or two occasions. Over a significant period of time Button was nowhere compared to Hamilton. And yet Hamilton still had / has this reputation for eating his tyres whereas Jenson is the total opposite.

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Just saw a report on sky news which said that according to sky sources Kimi will be confirmed at Ferrari later today.

Yeah it really seems like a done deal now.

Don't know if Alonso will move to another team but him and Kimi together would really be a shocker.

Both Red Bull drivers finished ahead of both McLaren drivers in the 2010 championship, yet you're questioning if the Red Bull was better. Are we now saying Webber is better than Hamilton? Then we really have to revise that earlier list.

That's a very poor point you're trying to make there.

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Webber does tend to cost himself with his starts mind.

hope next year car is supercompetitive and we'll have a lot of fun.

IMO Button levels up perfectly with Whitmarsh

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Jee, thanks.

Don't take my response too personally. But you're trying to say because Webber and Vettel finished ahead of Hamilton and Button in the 2010 championship the Red Bull was a better car than the McLaren. That's just plain wrong.

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Alonso and Raikkonen would be worse than Vettel and Raikkonen. At least Vettel and Raikkonen are somewhat friendly towards one another

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I realize that on its own it's a flawed argument, but that's because I somewhat assume you remember enough about that season yourself. Such as Vettel's point total suffering a lot from own mistakes and technical failures. If you think McLaren was equal or better in so many weekends, I'd like to know which ones as in my opinion I can probably count them on one hand. Saying Red Bull was better because both drivers finished in front of McLaren was just the simple version of the same conclusion.

Yes I remember much about that season, thanks for assuming that. Considering you are the one who is trying to make the point you are, perhaps you should be the one who backs up the point with solid evidence? So far you're just making anecdotal comments about the season with have little to no substance.

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I'm so looking forward to the inminent meltdown on Alonso's part if he is teammate with Räikkönen

so we can say Scuderia Ferrari are the potential 2014 season losers (or not, is one way or another)

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Quite obviously I was replying to you trying to make the following point in bold to another member, which was followed by some anecdotal comments having little to no substance:

So no, I honestly don't feel like I should bring up any evidence at the moment. And anyway, if you need that to be convinced of Red Bull being better than McLaren during 2010-2012, I feel like you haven't remembered everything well enough.