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Farce of the Race - Hungary
Poll ended at Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:49 pm
Hamilton 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Raikkonen 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Grosjean 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Vettel 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Alonso 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Button 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Senna 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Webber 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Massa 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Rosberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hülkenberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
di Resta 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Maldonado 14%  14%  [ 11 ]
Perez 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kobayashi 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Vergne 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Ricciardo 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kovalainen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Petrov 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Pic 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Glock 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
de la Rosa 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Karthikeyan 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Schumacher 77%  77%  [ 59 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:23 am 
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How can you park wrongly? To do that, either you pass someone on the formation lap, or you leave a grid spot empty, which I haven't noticed on TV.

If I didn't miss the empty grid spot on TV, this means at least a couple of the drivers around him were just as stupid and confused as he was. It takes two drivers to swap places, and you don't just gently park somewhere else if someone steals your spot, especially by passing you.


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and a track like Sepang would still be somewhat understandable because it's so wide and difficult to spot the marks (see Fisichella twice).
But a track like Hungaroring ...

I want to see the onboard of Michael actually :lol:


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Even though I'm a massive Schumacher fan, that was pretty embarrassing, so he got my vote

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 11:37 am 
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Artur Craft wrote:
afair, the FI was held by a Sauber which gave Maldonado a shot to try an outbrake on the inside. Later I'll look for the video, but it didn't seem as a reckless divebomb to me. It seemed like a normal side-by-side through the apex with Maldonado having a rather small oversteer(look at his steering wheel) which led him to slightly slide through DiResta(?)

And "deliberately" seems to be standard way to look into any Maldonado move/incident.


Its about what Perez said. He has no respect. Understeers into Perez at Silverstone and Oversteers into Di Resta here. I littteraly believe that in situations like these his eyes light up, big and googly eyed and he leaves his racing brain behind. The problem is that these are not isolated incidents , and I must confess I haven't followed him closely in his junior days, but I don't think that he was a shining light of racing purity and thoughtfullness. His Monaco accident and suspension and his accident at Zolder http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt5nt7IdyPs clearly show that he has no real awareness of the racing environment around him. Hence what Perez said, he has no respect.


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Lmao wat?

He's started nearly 300 races - he should know where to park his car for a start.


He proved you're wrong. Period.

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Likewise with his speeding in pit lane. He didn't enter at racing speed so had no excuse for that whatsoever, he just fucked up, plain and simple.


As I said above, or as you put it in words without reference to intercourse, speeding is a big deal, lmao.

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The puncture, whilst not technically his fault, added to the farce.


The puncture is a random unfortunate event, if you regard such as farcical, then your life is technically filled with farce?

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Also, let's not forget his silly crash on Friday


The car lost grip and brakes hitting a puddle, these cars are highly sensitive in the wet, a little bit more it is all out of control. Also it is practice, drivers can risk a bit more to find the limits.

Therefore, it is not a silly crash, it didn't break anything important, and it is only practice, and it is not even on qualifying day. I don't even remotely know in what ways could you count that one in. Are you just trying to count more events in to win an argument?

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and his dire qualifying effort on Saturday.


It was not a dire effort. His last lap was already faster but got hindered(did you even watch the qualifying question mark question mark question mark) by Maldonado's mistake at the chicane, therefore did not improve.

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If that doesn't count as a farcical then god knows what would.


Your reply? Or my continuing reply to such non-constructive arguments?


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I have NO idea if you're arguing with him, or against him.


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I think what Peter's trying to say is that if you ignore all of Schumacher's mistakes it wasn't farcical.


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If you ignore all of Pastors accidents then he's really safe too. :p


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My point exactly. :p


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If you ignore Peter, there's no discussion, arguement or confusion about what the hell he's posting about...

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If Peter isn't trolling, this is hilarious.

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I think he really believes himself :/


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Anyone else remember F1Champ from original-TBK days? Think he may have returned.

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f1 chimp LMAO


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 1:29 am 
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Nah F1 chimp is somebody totally different. F1Champ was the ultimate fanboy. Take irrational delusion and multiply it by inifinity, yet you're still nowhere near how batshit fanboy crazy this guy was.

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I'd like to thank those who's doing the name calling such as a troll or other derogatory reference making me realize my aggressive choice of words. I understand why you guys are quite against me too, since I am the one against majority and usually people see things as they look like or just follow each other anyway. Therefore, right or wrong essentially don't really matter. When you inherently believe in something most people believe, then when someone jumps out and says the opposite he immediately makes you feel uncomfortable, especially when he brings out something that you can not easily take down. This is already not a matter of right or wrong. I'd like to tell you I am one of you too in real life, but it's the internet that I am a bit more outspoken about my actual opinion. So let's just bring either constructive arguments in or just peace out. Thanks.

Amongst all the following replies, there are two worthy of replying, though.

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I have NO idea if you're arguing with him, or against him.


I disagree fundamentally with his or your previous argument, but I argue with facts, so I did not ignore, deflect or disagree with everything he or you said in the way like you'd like to think it is.

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I think he really believes himself :/


Actually, no. I'm not sure if you'd believe it yourself. But if someone actually comes up with facts countering my opinions or pointing out my defects in arguments than calling me crazy shit fanboyz lol oops. Then I'd change my conclusion to a certain extent based on how convincible the argument is. But in this particular case, so far, absolutely no one has come up with any constructive, rational counter arguments really, so why I'd say differently just because some people are trying to verbally making me feel uncomfortable such as calling me "troll" or "beyond irrational delusion", although I'd wonder who is really being irrational here? (I'd like to humbly give kals a suggestion, when you curse someone, at least curse him with characters that you don't have, or may be you just didn't realize that before).

Secondly, it's not what I believe or not, I don't even like to use the word "believe", because without knowing the all facts, we are just making estimation. Particularly when all the informations are acquired on the internet, and pictures taken from a small monitor, it's hard to "believe". It's just an opinion which I made based on limited facts and my preference. Moreover I'll make it a fact that I can be biased in many ways when I argue with someone I don't know, and not likely to know in the future, and not face to face, because the exchange of opinions in such cases matter absolutely no way in everybody's actual life.

Furthermore, actually, I am open minded to a change of conclusion if someone actually backs up his or her(any?) opinions firmly with convincible arguments.

Two final detailed points I'd like to make to supplement my previous arguments are(quite irritating to some of you I know, but oh well)

1: On MS's wrong parking. The detail was that Kobayashi(he would start directly in front of MS) parked it 2 slots behind first, therefore MS did the same thing. When Kobayashi realized his faulty position and drove back to the correct one, MS had already shut the engine off due to a rising engine temperature causing the aborted start.

2: On MS's race pace. His first 1/3 of the race on hard tyres matched those on soft running in the top 10, he only backed it off later.


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kals wrote:
Nah F1 chimp is somebody totally different. F1Champ was the ultimate fanboy. Take irrational delusion and multiply it by inifinity, yet you're still nowhere near how batshit fanboy crazy this guy was.

oh ok, I get it now. I can't say if the current F1 chimp was already member on the forum, but people used to name-call F1 champ like that after his antics.

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1: On MS's wrong parking. The detail was that Kobayashi(he would start directly in front of MS) parked it 2 slots behind first, therefore MS did the same thing. When Kobayashi realized his faulty position and drove back to the correct one, MS had already shut the engine off due to a rising engine temperature causing the aborted start.
2: On MS's race pace. His first 1/3 of the race on hard tyres matched those on soft running in the top 10, he only backed it off later.

1. I would actually like a video or an interview of either driver backing this up, because it would be hilarious.
2. Again, some proof would be welcome. This seems physically impossible.


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kals wrote:
Mercedes in Schumi's hands had little speed throughout the weekend, so the stall and DTP almost saved his blushes as it meant he didn't have to amble around trying to overtake Toro Rosso's. So farce of the race was Maldonado, for messing up a great grid spot and then doing his typical mid-race clumsy reckless best, which his much (ignorantly) maligned team-mate battled toward the sharp end.


Well put in both cases.

I still voted for Schu though as much as I didn't want to. From a bad qualifying performance, the grid problem, speeding through the pitlane and then to retire. Great race.


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Scotty wrote:
I remember that guy, he was big on Darcy's forum because he got banned here all the time. I remember at Monaco 2006 he said Alonso should have been sent to the back of the grid because he exaggerated slowing down for Schumacher's accident at Mirabeau to make Schumacher look more guilty.


I knew someone would remember. My favourite comedic fanboy moment was in the aftermath of the 2006 Brazilian GP when he insisted Giancarlo Fisichella had purposely set out to destroy Schumacher race (thus losing the title) and give him a puncture.

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Peter wrote:
...since I am the one against majority and usually people see things as they look like or just follow each other anyway. Therefore, right or wrong essentially don't really matter.


Comment of the year.

You really have no idea the people who you're aiming that at...

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But if someone actually comes up with facts countering my opinions or pointing out my defects


Erm no, that's not how it works. You're making ridiculous claims and backing it up with zero fact. So in fact, you are the one that needs to provide credible proof to back up your claims.

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