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Author:  Shrieker [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:59 am ]
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Thanks to Felipe for keeping up the excitement, but honestly, that's all.It turned out that he had a graceful personality indeed, but I still think he's not a special driver.He must improve his wet weather performances.We all know that is one of the most important factors that separates the goods from the greats.

And please stop saying that Massa won more races.Hamilton's move on Raikkonen at Spa (and the penalty) are in the gray area rather than black&white.So it would not be a solid arguement that Hamilton won the race %100 legitimately.But there is one thing for sure - Massa wasn't even in the frame for a win in that race.What granted him the win was the Stewards' decision to demote Hamilton after Raikkonen retired.The most appropriate decision would have been to demote Hamilton to second place had Raikkonen finished the race.

Also, it is not fair to say Massa deserved more because he made less driving errors.He had his fair share of mistakes too when he drove like he still had traction control in the first 2 races.
Author:  andrewf1 [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:46 am ]
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Hamilton. Just watch the British GP again, I don't care what kind of "throttle" problems Massa was having, you're in arguably the best car out there, and you spin 5 times and finish plum last.. whereas Hamilton absolutely dominates and destroys everyone else.

Besides, the Spa penalty was one of the worst decisions in F1 which meant a 6-point turn around in the WDC...had that penalty not been imposed, Hamilton would have had the title all wrapped up after what..Japan?
Author:  Tobias [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:50 am ]
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andrewf1 wrote:
Hamilton. Just watch the British GP again, I don't care what kind of "throttle" problems Massa was having, you're in arguably the best car out there, and you spin 5 times and finish plum last.. whereas Hamilton absolutely dominates and destroys everyone else.

Besides, the Spa penalty was one of the worst decisions in F1 which meant a 6-point turn around in the WDC...had that penalty not been imposed, Hamilton would have had the title all wrapped up after what..Japan?


after china. He would have been 11 points ahead for the last round then.
Author:  Omega [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 11:00 am ]
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PAXTON wrote:
The one who won it, deserved it, because HE SCORED MORE POINTS FFS!

!
Author:  Rudy88 [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:54 pm ]
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The one with most points at the end always deserves it.
Author:  Omega [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:00 pm ]
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Rudy88 wrote:
The one with most points at the end always deserves it.

not in the days that only the best 11 scores counted, or a worst score per season half had to be ignored...

But that is history, not today
Author:  kals [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:25 pm ]
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So Senna didn't deserve that Championship in 1988 then?
Author:  Omega [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:56 pm ]
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kals wrote:
So Senna didn't deserve that Championship in 1988 then?

no, Prost scored more points and when he finished a race he was first or second, not lower
Author:  Rudy88 [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:22 pm ]
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Omega wrote:
kals wrote:
So Senna didn't deserve that Championship in 1988 then?

no, Prost scored more points and when he finished a race he was first or second, not lower


Don't agree with that, in most of the races where Senna didn't have any problems with his car, he was quicker than Prost. Best example, the race at Suzuka where Senna stalled and drove back to the front in just a couple of laps, stunning!

P.S. sorry for the offtopic.
Author:  kals [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:25 pm ]
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Both drivers knew the rules at the time and drove around them. Senna won more races that year.
Author:  Bleu [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:30 pm ]
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kals wrote:
Both drivers knew the rules at the time and drove around them. Senna won more races that year.


Exactly and shows why it' s stupid to do counts about how points would have been with some other system.
Author:  dannydiaspinto21 [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 5:04 pm ]
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PAXTON wrote:
AutoRacer5 wrote:
Massa. He had to give up his home race last year to help Raikkonen.


That's a stupid reason. For a stupid poll

The one who won it, deserved it, because HE SCORED MORE POINTS FFS!


If was stupid, why you participated? :whistling:
Author:  MaTT [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 6:55 pm ]
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Hamilton deserved it, but Massa went up massively in my estimation during the Interlagos weekend. The way he dealt with the situation and then was a perfect gentleman afterwards makes me think that had he won it, he would have deserved it too.
Author:  Tom Vandenhove [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:00 pm ]
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Massa,Massa deserved it.Hamilton is also a good driver but Massa gave this season the very best of himself. ;) :whistling: :thumbsup:
Author:  NextDimensional- [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:31 pm ]
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Felipe deserved it.. When season started, all was thinking that he,s the one who have most problems with ban of Traction control..But at the second half of the season, Felipe really showed that he is improved and that he is better racing driver..
His biggest mistakes were at Malaysia and GB..
I,m not gonna talk about Hamilton..
Author:  JB-F1 [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:47 pm ]
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All this "Felipe improve massively" nonsense is just that. We had 1 more race this year compared to last and he only scored 3 more points, and that's without Raikkonen and Kovalainen performing well consistently and Hamilton making some silly mistakes which cost him points. He might have had bad luck in Hungary and Singapore but he did last year in Australia, Britain and Hungary

Yes, he has improved but it's only minor refinement rather than massive steps. The big improvement came through last year and the year before last. Truth is he probably was a better driver than we gave him credit for at Sauber (in his 2nd stint, anyway). But even so, Ferrari really missed Kimi this year - had he reproduced his form of late last year, he would've crushed them both like crisps

Forget about the sob story. Lewis was the better driver of the 2 this year and is more talented than him as well. The finale was artificial and the 1 point margin is an illusion
Author:  RtN [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:55 pm ]
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The 1 point margin is an illusion. If the Ferrari had the reliability of the McLaren, Massa would've won by a good 20 points, more if the Spa penalty wasn't reversed.
Author:  JB-F1 [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 7:59 pm ]
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Lewis has had bad luck as well, though. You can't just say "Massa had bad luck so he deserved to win". And Massa has had some poor performances this year for which only he is to blame. Lewis has been more consistent

Because of the way he won it, Lewis isn't getting the credit he deserves. It's been 22 years since we've seen a driver win in a car that clearly wasn't superior
Author:  RtN [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:11 pm ]
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Lewis has had bad luck, I agree, but he has not suffered with it like Massa has.

In last week's Autosport, Mark Hughes totted up the scores taking out all the luck, good and bad, on both sides. Massa comes out on top 110 points-86.

As for who deserved the title, I think that both of them have an equal claim. But Kubica deserved it more.
Author:  NextDimensional- [ Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:20 pm ]
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Hamilton is more talented than Massa?
Tell me why?
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