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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:21 pm 
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Exactly. I remember mika hakkinen having problems with it when mclaren experimented with it in 2000 or 2001. The Renault engine mapping that allowed some kind of continuity of exhaust fumes made this idea usable.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:31 pm 
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kals wrote:
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My car has all of those, I don't ever remember Nissan having a F1 team though.


Who has a strategic alliance with Nissan?

That didn't happen until late nineties though


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:00 am 
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coldtyre wrote:
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My car has all of those, I don't ever remember Nissan having a F1 team though.


Who has a strategic alliance with Nissan?

That didn't happen until late nineties though


Yes and?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 6:53 am 
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I mean at the time road-relevant stuff was still being developed in F1, Nissan could not have benefited from Renault F1


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:41 am 
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I can recall some techonologies developed in F1 for road cars, but they were from the pre 1994 era. Like CVT transmission, ESP and ABS brakes. Maybe mass dampers and independent brakes like the ones McLaren used in early 1998


None of those were developed in F1..?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:22 am 
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Haha, I think a more fun challenge would be to find a technology that *did* originate in F1...


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Engine behind the driver?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:11 am 
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gkmotorsport wrote:
Haha, I think a more fun challenge would be to find a technology that *did* originate in F1...


Semi Automatic Gearbox.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:15 am 
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Engine behind the driver?


Hmm. Try harder next time.

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I think F1/top line motorsports most important technological contribution to the automotive world would be composite materials and such. Showing the way, not inaugurating.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:32 pm 
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18" wheels render: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114877

They're talking about 19 or 20"... trying to make F1 look meatier than Formula E? Maybe they'll have spinnerzzzz lol


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:41 pm 
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"So we thought let's go with it. It is about aesthetics. Does it make F1 more relevant for road cars and is it a direction the sport wants to take?


Ridiculous logic. Lets make them relevant to road cars! Apart from open topped. And V6 KERS powered units. And massive wings. But the tyres are the right size, right?

If they want to make them, fine, that's cool, but don't pretend it's somehow a link to road cars.


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Well, I've seen roadcars with bigger spoilers than F1 and WEC spoilers combined.....


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 1:07 pm 
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If they want to pretend it's road-relevant, that's fine by me. This is the way things are going now so F1 shouldn't fight it - it's not logical but it's about the image that these corporations want to give out. So if this is what it takes to get Michelin back, as illogical as it seems, then I'm cool with that. I don't think the size of tyres is going to make a difference to whether I watch F1 or not


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I think we can safely assume it's about being 'brand' relevant. No-one wants to buy aftermarket high-profile tyres, and no-one aspires to 13" wheels that I know of.

Unless they own a Mini, of course ;)


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Formula 1's FRIC suspension systems, believed to be one of the strengths of the dominant Mercedes car, could be banned for the German Grand Prix, AUTOSPORT can reveal.

Less than a fortnight before the next race at Hockenheim, the FIA has informed F1 teams that it believes the Front-and-Rear Interconnected Suspension (FRIC) systems used by most of them are illegal.

CRAIG SCARBOROUGH: Secrets of suspension and FRIC

According to sources, the governing body wrote to teams on Tuesday to tell them that following detailed investigations into the design of the FRIC systems, it believes they are in contravention of the rules.

In the note, a copy of which has been seen by AUTOSPORT, Whiting said: "Having now seen and studied nearly every current design of front to rear linked suspension system we, the FIA, are formally of the view that the legality of all such systems could be called into question."

Whiting suggests that the way the suspension systems help control pitch and roll could be in breach of article 3.15 of F1's technical regulations.

Article 3.15 is the catch-all regulation that relates to moveable aerodynamic devices. It outlaws any part of the car that influences the aerodynamics that is not "rigidly secured to the entirely sprung part of the car (rigidly secured means not having any degree of freedom)."

The FRIC systems link the front and rear suspension to maintain a constant ride height for improved performance.

Lotus (then called Renault) was the first team to introduce the concept in 2008.

Mercedes more recently took the design to the next level and is now believed to run the most complicated system, however it is unclear which team would suffer the most from a ban.

FIA OPEN TO DELAYING BAN UNTIL 2015

With limited testing time before the next race at Hockenheim, and 2014 designs being based around FRIC, the FIA is open to delaying the ban if there is consensus among teams.

It has asked teams to vote on whether or not they will be in favour of delaying the ban until the start of 2015 rather than it coming into force for the German GP.

However, for that to happen it would require unanimous support from all the teams on the grid.

It is unclear how easy it will be to achieve unanimous support for a delay - especially if any team feels its FRIC design is not as good as a rival's, or indeed if a team is not running the system at all.

If unanimous support is not reached, then Whiting has made it clear that from the next race in Germany, any team running FRIC risks being reported to the stewards by the FIA for non-compliance with the regulations.

The fact that the FIA has indicated it believes FRIC to be illegal also opens the door for a team to protest one of its rivals from the next race.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 08, 2014 7:02 pm 
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Ahh the Mid Season "Someone is winning to much so lets try and mix it up" - Gate.

Missed you.


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i hope that they wait untill 2015 for the ban,,no reason to ban it mid season it will only hurt the sport(again) with all the discussions and accusations that will follow


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Jason wrote:
Ahh the Mid Season "Someone is winning to much so lets try and mix it up" - Gate.

Missed you.


so, someone managed to do the job well, and now suddenly gets punished for it? Reminds me of the bullshit-storm starting in Monza 2003, effectively killing a brilliant season. That said, this season isn't quite "brilliant" ;)


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Isn't it a huuuuuuge stretch to consider that something affecting the general attitude of the car is a moveable aerodynamic device?

It makes no sense at all.

It must be the engineer in me talking, but I do not believe designers should be scolded for exploiting a badly phrased/incomplete regulation. Their whole innovation job revolves around that.


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