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Author:  kals [ Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:09 pm ]
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Tobias wrote:
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F1 news: Bernie Ecclestone: Ron Dennis against Red Bull-Honda deal in F1


*ahem* viewtopic.php?f=40&t=9353&start=180#p886206

Author:  StefMeister [ Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:40 pm ]
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Oh Joy :roll:

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-re ... /?v=11&s=1

Author:  Tobias [ Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:47 pm ]
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Why the rules have to change every other year is beyond me, as it usually means a team dominating in the first season(s) of that rule taking effect.

The best seasons have come after a period of set of rules stability (2003, 2012)

Author:  codename_47 [ Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:38 pm ]
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The only time refuelling was interesting was when brabham was doing it and no one else was.
Even then it didn't exactly promote great racing, people bitch about drs today but how is someone with 20kg of fuel passing some one with 60kg of fuel better?

Maybe this new engine can refuel but bollocks to making it mandatory.
Wouldn't really matter if the saubers or someone were midfield at the start of the race then dropped to the back when they had to refuel would it?

Author:  Gael [ Sun Oct 25, 2015 3:48 am ]
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http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/three ... xt-month//

Author:  mclaren2008 [ Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:01 am ]
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Yas Marina Circuit is on Google Street View

Amazing complex, shame about the track layout.

Author:  gkmotorsport [ Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:12 pm ]
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FIA have announced that this new 'standard engine' idea is a direct result of Ferrari vetoing plans for an engine and gearbox cost cap. Not like them to call out their favourite team like this

motorsport.com wrote:
A decision by Ferrari to veto moves to introduce a cost cap on engines was the impetus for the FIA to push for a standard Formula 1 engine, the governing body has revealed.

After Bernie Ecclestone said over the United States Grand Prix weekend that the FIA was planning to open up a tender for a cheap engine supply, the move was confirmed on Monday.

In a statement issued by the FIA, the governing body said it would begin dialogue with F1's stakeholders to push on with the standard engine because of Ferrari's
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decision to block an engine price limit.

“The FIA, in agreement with FOM, suggested the principle of setting a maximum price for engine and gear box for client teams at the last Strategy Group meeting,” said the statement.

“These measures were put to the vote and adopted with a large majority. However, Ferrari SpA decided to go against this and exercise the right of veto long recognised under agreements governing F1.

“In the interest of the Championship, the FIA has decided not to legally challenge Ferrari SpA’s use of its right of veto.”

Ferrari has long held a right to veto any technical regulations changes, as part of the extra benefits it gets for competing in F1.

It is believed to be the first time in recent history that the Italian outfit has elected to use it, and comes in the face of widespread agreement among teams that costs need to be reduced.

A proposal had been agreed among a majority of teams to limit the cost of engines to $12 million for current specification power units and $8 million for year-old ones.

Alternative plan

Instead of challenging Ferrari, the FIA wants a standard engine to be available to teams from 2017 as a means of guaranteeing a cheap power unit.

The statement added: “The FIA will initiate a consultation with all stakeholders regarding the possible introduction of a client engine, which will be available as of 2017.

“Following this consultation a call for tenders for this client engine, the cost of which would be much lower than the current power unit, could be undertaken.

“Supported by FOM, the FIA will continue in its efforts to ensure the sustained long-term development of the Championship and look for solutions enabling it to achieve this.

“It asks all of the teams to make a positive contribution to the success of this approach through proposals and initiatives in the interest of the championship and its continuation over the long term.”


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Author:  webbsy [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:32 am ]
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For fuck's sake FIA, i've never felt so disillusioned with the governance (or lack of it) in all my 20+ years of following the sport.

Author:  Philthy82 [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:40 am ]
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Seems like Ferrari is where frustration should be directed, and to their credit the FIA for once are trying to get something done in the best interests of the sport despite what Maranello wants.

Author:  webbsy [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:53 am ]
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The buck starts and stops with the organization that oversees the governance and operation of F1.

Author:  gkmotorsport [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 8:39 am ]
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I think the FIA are trying to do the right thing for once. Their tactics, on the other hand...

Author:  micha [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:09 am ]
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gkmotorsport wrote:
I think the FIA are trying to do the right thing for once. Their tactics, on the other hand...



I think they try to do right a lot of times but simply don't have a fucking clue on how to do it.

Like with the tyres. They had a certain mission for Pirelli but fucked it up by making it mandatory to run both types. Let them choose what to do. Worst case scenario? They all still run the same strategy as the rest as they basically do now. If they can chose themselves however it throws in the uncertainty if someone needs to pit again or not if they only pitted for 1 type of tyre. Sunday was a good example of that btw.

They wanted to make passing easier. Everyone here agrees they should lessen the dirty air by disallowing the trillions of winglets but they come up with DRS.

They wanted to open up the grid but you could only join if you signed up with Cosworth engines. In that proces we lost a few potential good teams who wanted to run either Mercedes or Ferrari or Renault engines.

Author:  phil1993 [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:46 pm ]
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webbsy wrote:
For fuck's sake FIA, i've never felt so disillusioned with the governance (or lack of it) in all my 20+ years of following the sport.


Blame Mosely for selling the commercial rights for 113 years to Bernie.

Todt is always over a barrel. Six votes for him, six votes for Bernie and six for the Strategy Group teams. He always needs an ally.

Author:  gkmotorsport [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:04 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote:
webbsy wrote:
For fuck's sake FIA, i've never felt so disillusioned with the governance (or lack of it) in all my 20+ years of following the sport.


Blame Mosely for selling the commercial rights for 113 years to Bernie.

Todt is always over a barrel. Six votes for him, six votes for Bernie and six for the Strategy Group teams. He always needs an ally.


Todt is a toothless dog, tbh. Since taking over from Mosley he seems to have done nothing to sort out the well-known problems within F1. He is clearly always going to be out-voted by Bernie and the teams, but what has he even done about it? The only example of Todt trying to achieve anything, that I have read, was sending his lawyer to harass Gary Hartstein.

Author:  Fabs [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:51 pm ]
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He's just a puppet.

Good thing the FIA is trying something, we need some drama.

Author:  RtN [ Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:01 pm ]
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gkmotorsport wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
webbsy wrote:
For fuck's sake FIA, i've never felt so disillusioned with the governance (or lack of it) in all my 20+ years of following the sport.


Blame Mosely for selling the commercial rights for 113 years to Bernie.

Todt is always over a barrel. Six votes for him, six votes for Bernie and six for the Strategy Group teams. He always needs an ally.


Todt is a toothless dog, tbh. Since taking over from Mosley he seems to have done nothing to sort out the well-known problems within F1. He is clearly always going to be out-voted by Bernie and the teams, but what has he even done about it? The only example of Todt trying to achieve anything, that I have read, was sending his lawyer to harass Gary Hartstein.


He whitewashed the FIA's culpability in Jules' death pretty well.

Author:  LucasWheldon [ Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:03 am ]
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and then created VSC to avoid randomness in the races

Author:  siggy [ Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:34 am ]
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Does anybody have seen that piece on autosport why the clash between Rosberg vs Hamilton was Rosbergs' fault? I like to read that kind of comedy :)

Author:  gkmotorsport [ Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:40 am ]
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Here you go:

Gary Anderson wrote:
Let's not pull any punches: to win a Formula 1 drivers' world championship you must have that killer instinct. The true champions certainly don't hold back.

There are 19 other drivers out there, and to be top of the pile you need to score more points than any of them. And sometimes, to do that, drivers need to get their hands dirty.

As we have seen over the years, when a team puts together a line-up with two number-one drivers there will be fireworks.

Just look back to Nigel Mansell and Nelson Piquet at Williams, Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna at McLaren, Sebastian Vettel and Mark Webber at Red Bull to name but a few. Now we have Nico Rosberg and Lewis Hamilton.

If a team is organised in a way with a clear number one and number two, as at Ferrari during the Michael Schumacher era, it eliminates the risks inherent with two lead drivers.

But does this make Schumacher a less worthy world champion because he was always racing against a team-mate who wasn't allowed to beat him? After all, it eliminated one of his leading rivals, particularly in the years where Ferrari produced by far the best car.

Team-mates don't have to share a double room, they don't have to drink and eat together, but they must always work collectively and for the good of the team. That means putting the maximum effort into pushing the team forward.

They must respect each other on the track, but when it comes to the drivers' title it's all about outscoring the other 19 drivers. The key is being viewed by the team as the man that will get the job done, so it's essential you're better than your team-mate, both in terms of speed and race results.

Let's take the Hamilton v Rosberg incident that is most recent in our minds - the one at the first corner in Austin on Sunday.

If you had to ascribe blame, you would have to say that it was Rosberg's fault. Why? Because he was on pole position and he made a bad start, as he has done quite often.

That allowed Hamilton to get alongside him into Turn 1 and then hold his place on the inside line. That is what racing is all about.

Was Hamilton a bit heavy handed on the exit of the corner? He probably was. But if he had been racing Sebastian Vettel or Daniel Ricciardo, we would have simply said 'this Lewis Hamilton chap is a real racer'.

But because he did it to his team-mate, everyone starts asking questions and pointing fingers.

Mercedes keeps telling us that there are no team orders. By the time the United States Grand Prix started, the constructors' championship was well and truly won. So if what the team says is true, then Rosberg would have been perfectly within his rights to keep his car on the track at the exit of Turn 1.

Now, two things could happen if you do that. First, you could argue that there would be contact and you might end up with one Mercedes on its rollhoop in the runoff area.

Maybe, but I think the second possibility is more likely. That option is that Hamilton would simply have tightened his line and both would have survived.

If you look back to the Japanese Grand Prix a couple of races ago, a very similar thing happened. Rosberg was pushed wide on the exit of the second corner by Hamilton and he lost four or five places.

Immediately, his race was transformed from one of going for victory to a simple case of recovery.

You would think he would have learned from that. But no, again he tried to fight Hamilton to hold on to the lead, and in doing so he lost momentum and positions.

While he continues to make that kind of decision, he is always going to lose out to Hamilton in battle, and it's clear there is something in his head that is stopping him making the right choices.

I think this all goes back to the Belgian Grand Prix in 2014 when he and Hamilton really did come together and cost Mercedes a race victory.

We in the press made such a big deal of it at the time, meaning the team had to address the situation.

Whatever Mercedes' chiefs did or said to Rosberg and Hamilton behind closed doors is still ringing loud in Rosberg's ears. And you can be absolutely sure Hamilton knows that very well.

Even more importantly, Hamilton knows that because of this Rosberg will give him room. So he, quite rightly, pushes it to the limit again and again. That is why he is a three-time world champion and Rosberg hasn't won one.

It's the same as Sebastian Vettel being a four-time champion and longtime team-mate Mark Webber not having won it.

In both cases, they are drivers capable of being just as good as their illustrious team-mates. But it comes down to not quite being cut-throat enough about it to get the job done.

As Webber said on the radio after winning the British Grand Prix in 2010, "not bad for a number two driver". He was right, and I'm afraid to say that this is the kind of thing we might expect to hear from Rosberg soon.

You can draw further comparisons between Rosberg and Webber. The Australian came close in his first year as a title contender, but wasn't able to thereafter. It might be that Rosberg's best chance to be champion was in 2014, and he is now cast as Hamilton's support act even if he does have joint number one status.

The question now is how he responds. As a team - which, remember, is made up of dozens of people at the track and hundreds at the factory - you never want to see hard work go to waste when two drivers collide.

I've had drivers do that in the past and it's not much fun - you have to knock some heads together afterwards to sort it out.

But in Rosberg's position, he needs to find some of that edge, that killer instinct, which all the great champions have in some manner.

The question is whether he has it in him.

Author:  Fabs [ Wed Oct 28, 2015 12:02 pm ]
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I used to like Anderson :(

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