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Author:  amq55 [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:15 pm ]
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BrainPain wrote:
I missed Checos radio, what was it?

GP and Horner apologised and he said: "It just shows who he is"

He now said in the media pen that Max has his championships because of him.
Author:  sennadesillva [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:16 pm ]
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Also Checo on the in lap...
"Shows who he really is"
And an interview later...
"I don't understand why Max didn't give me the position after all I've done for him. If he has 2 championships, it's because of me"

Gonna be some fun debriefs at Red Bull later lol
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:18 pm ]
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so Georgie scored his first one, it was quite obvious that it was coming, after Mercedes took him that one in Bahrain

the question is, will he be putting a good performance next year to 1st: stay ahead of Lewis, 2nd: defeat the entitled dutchman that doesn't allow his team mate by for important points?
Author:  Omega [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:21 pm ]
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Funny that Sainz didn´t do it either but nothing about that, only the Red Bulls.
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:22 pm ]
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sennadesillva wrote:
Also Checo on the in lap...
"Shows who he really is"
And an interview later...
"I don't understand why Max didn't give me the position after all I've done for him. If he has 2 championships, it's because of me"

Gonna be some fun debriefs at Red Bull later lol


A lot of number 2 drivers might say this, but his careful blocking of Lewis at Abu Dhabi was actually pretty consequential.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:23 pm ]
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Omega wrote:
Funny that Sainz didn´t do it either but nothing about that, only the Red Bulls.


I must defend Sainz here because he was going for a podium finish. A trophy is worth more than points I guess
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:24 pm ]
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Coldtyre wrote:
Ocon and Verstappen are the type of entitled whiney little cunts that a team leader should fire at first occasion, even if they perform. Ain't no place for non-team players who ignore instructions.

I mean, outside F1, in a real company. F1 is too inbred to actually do that.


You have to wonder how long a driver behaving like this would last under Frank & Patrick or Ron Dennis.
Author:  sennadesillva [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:27 pm ]
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LucasWheldon wrote:
Omega wrote:
Funny that Sainz didn´t do it either but nothing about that, only the Red Bulls.


I must defend Sainz here because he was going for a podium finish. A trophy is worth more than points I guess

Also, Leclerc asked and the team said it was "too risky" cause of how close Alonso was. He wasn't told to give up the spot, with the championship wrapped up, then ignored it. MASSIVE difference imo.
Author:  James B [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:30 pm ]
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gkmotorsport wrote:
Coldtyre wrote:
Ocon and Verstappen are the type of entitled whiney little cunts that a team leader should fire at first occasion, even if they perform. Ain't no place for non-team players who ignore instructions.

I mean, outside F1, in a real company. F1 is too inbred to actually do that.


You have to wonder how long a driver behaving like this would last under Frank & Patrick or Ron Dennis.

Literally as long as they want, because any team wants a driver as good as Max in their team. Frank and Patrick kept Carlos Reutemann on when he did for a win. And Ron oversaw all kinds of shit in his teams

There will be zero consequences from today, and Max knows it, which is why he did it
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:33 pm ]
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James B wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:
Coldtyre wrote:
Ocon and Verstappen are the type of entitled whiney little cunts that a team leader should fire at first occasion, even if they perform. Ain't no place for non-team players who ignore instructions.

I mean, outside F1, in a real company. F1 is too inbred to actually do that.


You have to wonder how long a driver behaving like this would last under Frank & Patrick or Ron Dennis.

Literally as long as they want, because any team wants a driver as good as Max in their team. Frank and Patrick kept Carlos Reutemann on when he did for a win. And Ron oversaw all kinds of shit in his teams

There will be zero consequences from today, and Max knows it, which is why he did it


I don't completely agree. Both teams had a history (at least later than Reutemann) of making it clear the drivers drove for the team and that where there was a conflict between driver and team, the team came first. Ron wasn't too intimidated by Prost and Senna to wimp out of giving them a bollocking when their fights affected the team as a whole.

I do, unfortunately, agree that Red Bull won't do a thing.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:34 pm ]
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Dennis, Williams and Head might not have the patience, but Ferrari, Bernie and Flavio would for sure
Author:  James B [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:35 pm ]
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gkmotorsport wrote:
James B wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:

You have to wonder how long a driver behaving like this would last under Frank & Patrick or Ron Dennis.

Literally as long as they want, because any team wants a driver as good as Max in their team. Frank and Patrick kept Carlos Reutemann on when he did for a win. And Ron oversaw all kinds of shit in his teams

There will be zero consequences from today, and Max knows it, which is why he did it


I don't completely agree. Both teams had a history (at least later than Reutemann) of making it clear the drivers drove for the team and that where there was a conflict between driver and team, the team came first. Ron wasn't too intimidated by Prost and Senna to wimp out of giving them a bollocking when their fights affected the team as a whole.

I do, unfortunately, agree that Red Bull won't do a thing.


They may have "made it clear" but they didn't do shit when things actually kicked off. It literally cost Williams at least one World Drivers' Championship. Holding Frank and Patrick up in that way when they were consistently terrible at managing their drivers is hilarious, sorry
Author:  Swede [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:37 pm ]
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Author:  codename_47 [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:42 pm ]
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"I have my reasons, I'm not going to tell you them, but I explained my reasons and the team and Checo must accept that"

"What are those reasons Max"

"I'm not going to get into that, but I have my reasons for doing what I did"

What a bullshit, non-answer from Max

He basically has no reason for doing what he did, but is hiding behind pretending he has a reason for his horse-shittery.
Author:  gkmotorsport [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:47 pm ]
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James B wrote:
gkmotorsport wrote:
James B wrote:
Literally as long as they want, because any team wants a driver as good as Max in their team. Frank and Patrick kept Carlos Reutemann on when he did for a win. And Ron oversaw all kinds of shit in his teams

There will be zero consequences from today, and Max knows it, which is why he did it


I don't completely agree. Both teams had a history (at least later than Reutemann) of making it clear the drivers drove for the team and that where there was a conflict between driver and team, the team came first. Ron wasn't too intimidated by Prost and Senna to wimp out of giving them a bollocking when their fights affected the team as a whole.

I do, unfortunately, agree that Red Bull won't do a thing.


They may have "made it clear" but they didn't do shit when things actually kicked off. It literally cost Williams at least one World Drivers' Championship. Holding Frank and Patrick up in that way when they were consistently terrible at managing their drivers is hilarious, sorry


Ok, I managed to totally forget 1986 :slaphead:

I think Frank probably had a good excuse for not being around to nip things in the bud earlier in the season. Even so, they still walked the constructors championship. My point was simply that those two teams didn't allow the drivers to forget that they were employees first and superstars second.
Author:  LucasWheldon [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:50 pm ]
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codename_47 wrote:
"I have my reasons, I'm not going to tell you them, but I explained my reasons and the team and Checo must accept that"

"What are those reasons Max"

"I'm not going to get into that, but I have my reasons for doing what I did"

What a bullshit, non-answer from Max

He basically has no reason for doing what he did, but is hiding behind pretending he has a reason for his horse-shittery.


he's doing the Ricky Bobby way, or you go fast, or you're last
Author:  sennadesillva [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:54 pm ]
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LucasWheldon wrote:
codename_47 wrote:
"I have my reasons, I'm not going to tell you them, but I explained my reasons and the team and Checo must accept that"

"What are those reasons Max"

"I'm not going to get into that, but I have my reasons for doing what I did"

What a bullshit, non-answer from Max

He basically has no reason for doing what he did, but is hiding behind pretending he has a reason for his horse-shittery.


he's doing the Ricky Bobby way, or you go fast, or you're last
Author:  Juihi [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 9:55 pm ]
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Yea, not impressed with Max's response to the team orders
Author:  Coldtyre [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:10 pm ]
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James wrote:
There will be zero consequences from today, and Max knows it, which is why he did it


There's doing questionable things that make sense.

And, there's doing questionable things that make sense while being an insufferable asshole about it in the process.

People forget, understand, forgive the former... but the latter is remembered for life. By Checo, by the fans, by every person involved in F1 including future teammates and employers of Verstappen.

Just unecessary. Sometimes Max forgets the bigger picture, and that's where he's at his worst, same on track as evidenced by leaving half his wing at turn 2 today and yesterday.
Author:  RtN [ Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:21 pm ]
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Tom Coronel has claimed that Perez deliberately spun in qualifying at Monaco, and admitted it to the team leadership.

If true, then it would help put today in context.
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