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Author:  mclaren2008 [ Thu May 08, 2014 9:54 am ]
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India is probably done for good.

As for replacing Russia, there is a perfectly good track across the Black Sea in Istanbul Turkey.

Author:  kals [ Thu May 08, 2014 11:04 am ]
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Turkey has had its chance. Leave it be now.

Author:  webbsy [ Thu May 08, 2014 12:29 pm ]
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And the whoring out of F1 continues.

Author:  StanV [ Thu May 08, 2014 12:31 pm ]
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kals wrote:
Turkey has had its chance. Leave it be now.


Remember kals, I still have that prediction of the Russian GP lasting 0h0m0s in your F1 game

Author:  Fabs [ Thu May 08, 2014 12:39 pm ]
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New chassis for Vettel, Daniel only gets it at Silverstone.

So the guy who's been the quickest doesn't get the new chassis until Silverstone? That's nice.

Author:  Fish88 [ Thu May 08, 2014 12:43 pm ]
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Because it impossibru that Ricciardo is faster than Vettel (according to RBR not according to me).

Author:  gkmotorsport [ Thu May 08, 2014 12:58 pm ]
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Fabs wrote:
New chassis for Vettel, Daniel only gets it at Silverstone.

So the guy who's been the quickest doesn't get the new chassis until Silverstone? That's nice.


It's front wing-gate all over again.

Author:  gkmotorsport [ Thu May 08, 2014 12:59 pm ]
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Toto Wolff has engaged troll mode, telling Autosport that he considers Ferrari to be Mercedes' main rival this season. Bazinga, Mr Horner.

Author:  Fabs [ Thu May 08, 2014 1:27 pm ]
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Fish88 wrote:
Because it impossibru that Ricciardo is faster than Vettel (according to RBR not according to me).

Vettel might be quicker, even when they both have the chassis, but you'd think they'd give it to the driver who deserves it more right now.

Oh well, Ferrari wouldn't do it any differently lol.

Author:  StanV [ Thu May 08, 2014 1:27 pm ]
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Fabs wrote:
New chassis for Vettel, Daniel only gets it at Silverstone.

So the guy who's been the quickest doesn't get the new chassis until Silverstone? That's nice.


http://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/drive ... /standings

Quote:
5 Sebastian Vettel Ger Red Bull 33
6 Daniel Ricciardo Aus Red Bull 24

Author:  Coldtyre [ Thu May 08, 2014 1:31 pm ]
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Ferrari wrote:
Azerbaijan GP Confirmed for 2015

Quote:
Azerbaijan is taking Korea’s full-time place on the grand prix calendar starting in 2015, Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed. It is expected a city street race in the capital Baku will be announced later this month. Formula 1 chief executive Ecclestone this week indicated the oil-rich former Soviet race is taking the place on the calendar formerly occupied by South Korea, where a race at unpopular Yeongam was last held in 2013. Korean organisers have baulked at the sport’s high sanctioning fees.



I give it three years before it's replaced by the Somalia GP or Bangladesh GP. While France, country with a deep history in racing, remains off the schedule.

History? Hosting F1 has nothing to do with history expect in the minds of delusional european fans who still live in days of glory past.

Also, for a country to rely on its history to get special treatment is lazy and dumb. Rules are the same for everyone, F1 has changed, countries that can't adapt lose their GP.

Author:  ellis [ Thu May 08, 2014 1:36 pm ]
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I like how everybody just made up stuff to fill the gaps which Red Bull already explained.

Chassis are replaced routinely throughout the year. Unless there is an accident which destroys a tub, the team generally has a schedule of when these will be done. A replacement chassis is not necessarily an upgrade - but an identical spec one to which he had before, but newer, so less wear and tear. Red Bull talked about the plan to upgrade the chassis and when months ago, and did so again last week, and again here after everyone had a bitch-fest.

The plan from before the season even begun was one replacement for Vettel at Barcelona (first race of European season) and one for Dan at Silverstone.

It's just a routine chassis change. It's been planned for months. Both cars are the same spec.

Author:  Mika Kimi [ Thu May 08, 2014 1:45 pm ]
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coldtyre wrote:
Ferrari wrote:
Azerbaijan GP Confirmed for 2015

Quote:
Azerbaijan is taking Korea’s full-time place on the grand prix calendar starting in 2015, Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed. It is expected a city street race in the capital Baku will be announced later this month. Formula 1 chief executive Ecclestone this week indicated the oil-rich former Soviet race is taking the place on the calendar formerly occupied by South Korea, where a race at unpopular Yeongam was last held in 2013. Korean organisers have baulked at the sport’s high sanctioning fees.



I give it three years before it's replaced by the Somalia GP or Bangladesh GP. While France, country with a deep history in racing, remains off the schedule.

History? Hosting F1 has nothing to do with history expect in the minds of delusional european fans who still live in days of glory past.

Also, for a country to rely on its history to get special treatment is lazy and dumb. Rules are the same for everyone, F1 has changed, countries that can't adapt lose their GP.


France has history in F1 and in motorsport in general. If you host a French GP on a reasonable location than it'll be sold out, I will be surprised if that will happen in Azerbaijan (since it hasn't happened in China, Korea, India, Bahrein, etc.).

Author:  Omega [ Thu May 08, 2014 2:16 pm ]
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coldtyre wrote:
Ferrari wrote:
Azerbaijan GP Confirmed for 2015

Quote:
Azerbaijan is taking Korea’s full-time place on the grand prix calendar starting in 2015, Bernie Ecclestone has confirmed. It is expected a city street race in the capital Baku will be announced later this month. Formula 1 chief executive Ecclestone this week indicated the oil-rich former Soviet race is taking the place on the calendar formerly occupied by South Korea, where a race at unpopular Yeongam was last held in 2013. Korean organisers have baulked at the sport’s high sanctioning fees.



I give it three years before it's replaced by the Somalia GP or Bangladesh GP. While France, country with a deep history in racing, remains off the schedule.

History? Hosting F1 has nothing to do with history expect in the minds of delusional european fans who still live in days of glory past.

Also, for a country to rely on its history to get special treatment is lazy and dumb. Rules are the same for everyone, F1 has changed, countries that can't adapt lose their GP.

You should never forget the history, because that is what has brought you so far. But it is already becoming a part of the History of Formula 1 that Bernie is not choosing interesting tracks that would be good for racing, but places with money to suck dry.

Author:  Fabs [ Thu May 08, 2014 2:43 pm ]
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ellis wrote:
I like how everybody just made up stuff to fill the gaps which Red Bull already explained.

Chassis are replaced routinely throughout the year. Unless there is an accident which destroys a tub, the team generally has a schedule of when these will be done. A replacement chassis is not necessarily an upgrade - but an identical spec one to which he had before, but newer, so less wear and tear. Red Bull talked about the plan to upgrade the chassis and when months ago, and did so again last week, and again here after everyone had a bitch-fest.

The plan from before the season even begun was one replacement for Vettel at Barcelona (first race of European season) and one for Dan at Silverstone.

It's just a routine chassis change. It's been planned for months. Both cars are the same spec.

Your response was slower than expected.

Author:  ellis [ Thu May 08, 2014 3:15 pm ]
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I was too busy wondering if you were trolling or just have a complete lack of knowledge of what actually goes on.

Author:  StefMeister [ Thu May 08, 2014 3:57 pm ]
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Vettel isn't getting a 'new' chassis, He's simply going back to one he used in testing.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113828


Going back to talking about Senna's crash, I just found this thread over at AutoSport where someone (f1steveuk) saying they looked at all the evidence as part of FOM's crash investigation & he talks about some of things they found:
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/191968-senna-mystery/

Something mentioned there which I had not heard before was that Williams were running a diffuser which stalled (Designed/developed around there active suspension setup) & that the new front wing Williams had that weekend made the problems they were having with that diffuser worse.

Quote:
One factor that no one considers in the Senna incident, is that the FW16 inherited an aerodynamic stall around the difuser. Originally used to stall the difuser of the FW15 via active suspension, to gain straight line speed, a "re-active" version was used on the FW16, a car designed to use active control before the rule changes.Like a lot of "new" ideas, it was unpredictable in it's early days. It was part of the cars inherent problems, which the new front wing first fitted at Imola, actually made slightly worse.

Author:  JJ [ Thu May 08, 2014 4:00 pm ]
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Omega wrote:
coldtyre wrote:
Also, for a country to rely on its history to get special treatment is lazy and dumb. Rules are the same for everyone, F1 has changed, countries that can't adapt lose their GP.

You should never forget the history, because that is what has brought you so far. But it is already becoming a part of the History of Formula 1 that Bernie is not choosing interesting tracks that would be good for racing, but places with money to suck dry.

Exactly. Ecclestone's only criterion for a new GP is money. There's zero chance that countries without big money will ever get F1 race, for example Finland, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Switzerland or Portugal (albeit Finland lacks proper circuit). If it wasn't tradition I doubt even Hungary, Spain, Germany, Belgium, Italy or not to mention Monaco would be in the calendar atm. It's sheer luck that Red Bull happened to buy A1 Ring. Otherwise Bernie would never even have considered returning to Austria.

Author:  Fish88 [ Thu May 08, 2014 4:01 pm ]
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ellis wrote:
I was too busy wondering if you were trolling or just have a complete lack of knowledge of what actually goes on.


Quote:
Formula 1 world champion Sebastian Vettel says he is changing his Red Bull chassis for the Spanish Grand Prix in case car problems contributed to his recent struggles.
[...]
But Vettel said the decision was made after Shanghai and as part of efforts to ensure every possible cause of his troubles was investigated.

:whistling:

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/113828

I guess they just want to be sure his form isn't to blame on the chassis.

Author:  ellis [ Thu May 08, 2014 4:08 pm ]
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They also said at the start of the year that the new chassis were due in Barcelona and Silverstone. Guess what other teams introduce the updates at Barcelona and Silverstone? The UK based ones. Imagine that - a non-news story being trotted out during a week with no race, on a subject people will get pissy about. It's almost as if it all came from an Autosport article, rather than Red Bull themselves...

Quote:
RM: Sebastian will get a new chassis for Barcelona, which was scheduled at the start of the season and then the next one will be for Dan at some time around Silverstone.


Which, btw, ties in with everything Red Bull have said about chassis so far.

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