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Author:  kals [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:08 pm ]
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Shaddix wrote:
Year after year RedBull is delivering the best possible car, and year after year Ferrari is disapointing.


2006 - title contender
2007 - title winner
2008 - title contender
2009 - struggle
2010 - title leader until final round
2011 - struggle
2012 - title leader as of now

Where are they disappointing?

Author:  Shaddix [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:19 pm ]
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2009 and 2011 they struggled. And it's not rare that Ferrari is "slow" at the start of a season. You have to admit that the last 4 years the Red Bull has been the better car compared to the Ferrari.

Author:  Mika Kimi [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:25 pm ]
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Ferrari hasn't been great since 2009 if you ask me. The fact that Alonso is on top right now and in 2010 was more due to himself than his car.

Ofcourse there is the history and prestige but I agree there is no other reason for Vettel to leave Red Bull.

Author:  kals [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:26 pm ]
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Shaddix wrote:
2009 and 2011 they struggled. And it's not rare that Ferrari is "slow" at the start of a season. You have to admit that the last 4 years the Red Bull has been the better car compared to the Ferrari.


So? They've still been title contender's multiple times, I fail to see how that is being disappointing "year after year".

Author:  Mika Kimi [ Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:47 pm ]
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I think they are disappointing by their own standards. Being beaten by McLaren and Red Bull for the past 4 years, including this one, could be called disappointing. It's not bad of course but I agree with Shaddix.

Author:  Philthy82 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:16 am ]
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Mika Kimi wrote:
there is no other reason for Vettel to leave Red Bull.


Aside from money. Seriously, you see how much more Alonso is getting paid than Vettel?

Author:  Ospi [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:52 am ]
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It begins to irk me when someone would leave success for money, particularly when they are already on an absolutely ridiculous sum of money. I mean 10 mill?

Author:  phil1993 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:46 am ]
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Shaddix wrote:
I can't see any reason why Vettel would want to go to Ferrari. Year after year RedBull is delivering the best possible car, and year after year Ferrari is disapointing.


Because one day, very soon, Red Bull may well slip down the order and eventually pull out of F1. It's not unreasonable to see them do a Benetton.

And especially if Ferrari succeed in nabbing Newey.

Author:  micha [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:36 am ]
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phil1993 wrote:
Shaddix wrote:
I can't see any reason why Vettel would want to go to Ferrari. Year after year RedBull is delivering the best possible car, and year after year Ferrari is disapointing.


Because one day, very soon, Red Bull may well slip down the order and eventually pull out of F1. It's not unreasonable to see them do a Benetton.

And especially if Ferrari succeed in nabbing Newey.



I doubt Vettel would be still in F1 if that happens.

As long as Red Bull is available without restrictions (talks about that over here btw) and they stay associated to (extreme) sports I cannot see them quit any time soon.

Newey to Ferrari? Not sure if it's gonna happen. It just doesn't seem like a match to me. Don't ask me where he will go if he leaves Red Bull. Maybe Fernandez can convince him to help Caterham (wishfull thinking).

Author:  phil1993 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:39 am ]
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Well the reality is that the status quo might not change much next year (that seems slightly contradictory but I think you see what I mean)

But with the new engines & regulations in 2014, we might get a 2009 style shake up of the grid. Who knows where the right place to be will be? After 2008 you wouldn't have said the top four in the championship in 2009 would be the drivers who finished 18th, 8th, 14th & 11th the previous season with the teams that finished 9th and 7th the previous season.

Author:  phil1993 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:49 pm ]
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Received confirmation of media accreditation for the British Grand Prix :)

Author:  Fish88 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 1:57 pm ]
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phil1993 wrote:
Received confirmation of media accreditation for the British Grand Prix :)


Pretty awesome, congrats.

Author:  phil1993 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:20 pm ]
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Fish88 wrote:
phil1993 wrote:
Received confirmation of media accreditation for the British Grand Prix :)


Pretty awesome, congrats.


Thanks.

Seeing as I'll be camping with a group of friends - although I can only book this next Thursday! - , Fabs, can you tell the rain gods to stay firmly away from Silverstone please? :p

Author:  Fabs [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 3:26 pm ]
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lolz, I'll be praying they'll stay away from my scouts camp site.

There'll be no updates from me that weekend :p

Author:  phil1993 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 4:33 pm ]
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German courts have found Gribkowsky guilty and he has been sentenced to 8.5 years in prison. Could get interesting at Silverstone, what with Hockenheim up in mid-July.

Author:  Mattzel89 [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:24 pm ]
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More Vettel news...

Quote:
Television channel Italia 1 claims that Sebastian Vettel has signed a three year deal worth €45m to drive for Ferrari from 2014

Author:  iks [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 6:21 pm ]
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I hope that won't be a repeat of 2000-2004. 2011 was bad enough.

Author:  Ospi [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:50 pm ]
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Couldn't see him being any more dominant than he was last season. Will be good though, wonder who he will partner, if it is Alonso I will pant cream.

Author:  RtN [ Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:56 pm ]
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Piecing together some other rumours from Atlas, it seems as though the plan is for a Fred-Seb superteam, with either Massa or Webber getting a one-year offer to put themselves in the shop window.

But Alonso is on record as saying that all he wants is a third WDC. He's not interested in any other records. He may well leave should he achieve that this year or next.

Author:  phil1993 [ Thu Jun 28, 2012 7:52 am ]
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Nice way for Bernie to divert attention away from the Girbkowski trial
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/ju ... ecclestone

There will be a route unveiled later today, but it's just a fantasy thought up as a promotion for McLaren sponsors Santander. It isn't real, and a lot of the media seem to believe it is.

Oh, and it's like the classic news stories. "Australian GP to be axed" as we get in the run up to Melbourne for example. There's always plans for a London GP as Silverstone approaches...

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