2008 Formula One Belgian Grand Prix @ Spa-Francorchamps

jdh · PostPosted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 10:12 pm

Regiotap wrote:

Appealing the penalty is just a waste of time.

Bet you wouldn't be saying that if it was a Ferrari was being penalised.

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Artur Craft · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:02 am

JasonS wrote:

A picture speaks a thousand words

This FIA guy looks italian

La Mafia

codename_47 · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 12:59 am

Regiotap wrote:

Appealing the penalty is just a waste of time.

It isn't, it gives the FIA the oppertunity to make the penalty three times worse! :lol:

Michael R. · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 1:34 am

jdh wrote:

Regiotap wrote:

Appealing the penalty is just a waste of time.

Bet you wouldn't be saying that if it was a Ferrari was being penalised.

Unless there's a penalty for driving like your grandmother. :lol:

Massa did NOT want a repeat of Silverstone.

Aare · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:49 am

Yeah, insult that awful sport-killing racer. :wave:

Scirocco · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 7:03 am

Kimi had a good race, He showed his fighting spirit! But he would of won if it wasn't for the rain and his crash...

Also big thumbs up for bourdais! Nice to see him doing well!

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 4:55 pm

Artur Craft wrote:

If one adds all best sectors times from each driver in the qualifying, none of the Ferrari drivers(Massa-1,46,391 Raikkonen-1,46,298) stays ahead of Heidfeld(1,46,234), only Mclarens are(Lewis-1,46,088 Heikke-1,46,037). How could Hamilton stay behind Raikkonen with such a better car

Ferrari is faster than the McLaren with race fuel onboard. Ferrari hasn't been the ultimate fast lap car for a time as they have been focusing on the faster race pace. This has been so for years now. Sometimes they've had the fastest car and sometimes they've been way back. But when the low fuel laps are close between Ferrari and other teams, it is usually the Ferrari that is faster in the race.

Tobias · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 5:08 pm

can anyone tell me the name of the song played during the 2008 season review so far by ITV?

Omega · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 9:26 pm

According to a Belgian site (sport.be) we should know the result of the appeal before Signapore. They want to do it fast

ixnay · PostPosted: Wed Sep 10, 2008 11:06 pm

Before Singapore? I was hoping before Monza :P

People will forget about it with such delays as not to care when a decision is made. Kind of like with all the other delays they had for other penalties/hearings (Max Mosley for example).

Artur Craft · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:50 am

I don't know if it was already posted but this is for all fanboys in this forum, too much cry over here, read a technical opinion, you will see that is just like what some others and I said in this thread.

Quote:

Trulli: Hamilton gained an advantage

By Jonathan Noble and Michele Lostia Tuesday, September 9th 2008, 11:58 GMT

Jarno Trulli, Toyota, Spa 2008Jarno Trulli says he has no doubts that Lewis Hamilton did gain an advantage by cutting the chicane at the Belgian Grand Prix.

As the controversy rages over whether the race stewards were right to hand down a 25-second penalty for Hamilton's driving, Trulli thinks that the McLaren driver did benefit from missing out the final corner.

"In my opinion Hamilton got an advantage by cutting the chicane," Trulli told Gazzetta dello Sport. "Had he stayed on the road, he wouldn't have had the speed to overtake the Ferrari.

"In the same way at Monza someone could cut the first chicane, catch a rival's draft, and overtake him under braking at Roggia.

"When you attack on the outside, you do it at your own risk, because who's on the inside has the right to do the corner. If there isn't enough room, then you lift.

"Had there been a wall there, instead of the surfaced escape route, would Lewis have attacked anyway? Had there been gravel, he wouldn't have had the chance to attack when rejoining the track because of dirty tyres."

McLaren are due to decide today whether or not to press ahead with their plans to appeal Hamilton's penalty, which dropped him from first to third in the race results.

and there were ppl writing "GTFO" to me, or how to deal with "my supposed imaturity" and etc :lol:

jdh · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:52 am

Trulli's points are spurious. We've already established that the 'what if there was a wall/gravel trap' argument is irrelevant. And Trulli can't have watched the incident very closely if he mentions gaining a slipstream, because that is something Hamilton clearly did not do.

RtN · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:56 am

Max Mosley wrote:

Slipstreaming as we know it in F1 is dead.

That's a quote he gave in 1997. I very much doubt the situation has improved since then.

And it's not particuarly hard to outbrake someone when they brake 50m early for the corner.

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 12:58 am

Well he raises an important point here. If Hamilton tried everything to stay on track by backing up behind Raikkonnen before it was too late, he wouldn't have been as close approaching La Source.

The officials probably don't want to see drivers making approximate moves and then relying on the escape route if needed.

And if there was gravel, we would have had a collision and two drivers off.

Artur Craft · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:01 am

jdh wrote:

Trulli's points are spurious. We've already established that the 'what if there was a wall/gravel trap' argument is irrelevant. And Trulli can't have watched the incident very closely if he mentions gaining a slipstream, because that is something Hamilton clearly did not do.

I heard that the rules don't mention "give the position back" which Hamilton did, I heard that the rules says "A driver cannot take advantadge by cutting a chincane", and he definitely did.

I don't know if the information I heard is correct, but anyway, the manouvre can be legal but imo imoral, just like some of Schumacher's.

coldtyre wrote:

Well he raises an important point here. If Hamilton tried everything to stay on track by backing up behind Raikkonnen before it was too late, he wouldn't have been as close approaching La Source.

The officials probably don't want to see drivers making approximate moves and then relying on the escape route if needed.

And if there was gravel, we would have had a collision and two drivers off.

That was my point since the begining.

jdh · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 1:44 am

Tobias wrote:

can anyone tell me the name of the song played during the 2008 season review so far by ITV?

Rob Dougan - Furious Angels

Magnifico · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:05 am

RtN wrote:

Max Mosley wrote:

Slipstreaming as we know it in F1 is dead.

That's a quote he gave in 1997. I very much doubt the situation has improved since then.

If you believe that your as idiotic as Max Mosley was saying that. Slipstreaming is still pretty damn in effect.
Or maybe Martin Brundle has been lying to us for all these years?

RtN · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:20 pm

Magnifico wrote:

RtN wrote:

Max Mosley wrote:

Slipstreaming as we know it in F1 is dead.

That's a quote he gave in 1997. I very much doubt the situation has improved since then.

If you believe that your as idiotic as Max Mosley was saying that. Slipstreaming is still pretty damn in effect.
Or maybe Martin Brundle has been lying to us for all these years?

Read the quote carefully. It says slipstreaming as we know it. Of course it's still in effect, but the circumstances in which it occurs are different. Spending 0.3 of a second behind the car in front does not give the car behind any of a tow.

ZL11 · PostPosted: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:43 pm

No? It definitely has some effect. It's not as effective as it'd be if they were going 50 MPH faster, but it is still there.

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