2013 Random F1 Discussion

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 5:52 pm

Bernie makes noises about Rio and suddenly Sao Paolo hurries up with the Interlagos improvements.

Funny that.

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:13 pm

J.Morelli wrote:

Meanwhile São Paulo's new mayor (Fernando Haddad) has confirmed he and Bernie Ecclestone have finally found a deal and Interlagos contract with Formula One is about to be extended until 2020, under the promise of various improvement works into the facility, what certainly includes an expansion to the pit lane area, boxes and possibly changing the finish line for what is currently the backstretch.

A recent research has proven Brazilian GP doesn't bring financial loss to the city (even with no big brazilian names in the series). The research also proves that the event's income exceeds the value of investments, what proves that, even If Bernie wanted to leave Brazil, he can't because it represents one of Formula One's biggest markets.

Poor massa lol.

Any changes to this track will be seen as the least popular in history.
Please, by all means upgrade the infrastructure but the actual layout has such a good flow about it, it should be protected

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:16 pm

Changing the finishing line... I guess if they have to. It's just that it seems iconic.

Even with The Wing and the fact that the old S/F line at Silverstone wasn't really a pit straight (and the buildings there are shitty), it still feels wrong after 2.5 years :lol:

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:25 pm

phil1993 wrote:

Changing the finishing line... I guess if they have to. It's just that it seems iconic.

Even with The Wing and the fact that the old S/F line at Silverstone wasn't really a pit straight (and the buildings there are shitty), it still feels wrong after 2.5 years :lol:

Ehhh I'm used to it already, mainly because I much prefer the higher speed layout as it is now than the one that went before it

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:28 pm

I'm getting used to it, it's just a bugger that it's so isolated from the rest of the circuit.

Yeah, the newer layout is slightly better, even if The Loop is a bit clumsy. It feels strange to stand at Bridge now but something had to be cut.

Ian-S · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:28 pm

higher speed? whatever you're on can I have some please...

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:34 pm

It is actually a higher speed now because Abbey is flat out rather than a chicane and there's the Wellington Straight.

Obviously not compared to up to the mid-80s, but compared to the 09 layout.

Ian-S · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:50 pm

haha penny drops in final sentence

phil1993 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:53 pm

Ian-S wrote:

haha penny drops in final sentence

I'll walk away sheepishly... :oops:

Bleu · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:23 pm

Actually Silverstone layouts are quite nearly as fast.

Pole average speeds:
2009 232,773
2010 236,652

Bleu · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:38 pm

I think the current back straight at Interlagos isn't quite long enough so they might need to lengthen it, so the track might then be something like that. I kept everything between Ferra Dura and Curva do Sol as it is now.
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5908893

Schumifan · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:56 pm

Why wouldn't the back straight be long enough? It's longer than the front straight. Although the layout you suggested wouldn't be the end of the world in fairness.

OS · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:02 pm

Don't see any need for that extension, really, the back straight should be long enough to fit in all the garages and a paddock ... in fact when you think about it makes much more sense than the current location which has always been boxed in by the middle part of the circuit. This circuit just has such a flow to it that I think any disruption like those chicanes would be awful ... and potentially disrupt the special conditions that sees this race produce a corker with such regularity.

ryan86 · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:53 pm

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5909015

If I'd been in charge of Silverstone alterations, I'd have probably went with something like that.

EAS · PostPosted: Sun Apr 28, 2013 11:25 pm

I like this thing of the short track that Interlagos is. It brings a bigger emphasis on traffic, for example, that has been less of a factor in the most recent years.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 1:00 am

According to Bernie the 11th placed team will no longer get the $10m in prize money it has upto now.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/mark ... float.html

Quote:

F1’s prize fund is split between the top ten teams but for the past three years any which finish outside this group received $10m each. It was part of an agreement Mr Ecclestone made with Max Mosley, former president of F1’s governing body the Fédération Internationale de l’Automobile (FIA), who decided to introduce three new teams in 2010 in order to reinvigorate the sport after BMW, Honda and Toyota pulled out during the recession.

The payment clause was contained in the Concorde Agreement, the contract which commits the teams to race in F1. It expired at the end of last year and, as a replacement, Mr Ecclestone has signed separate commercial agreements with each team. The exception is the 11th-placed team Marussia and Mr Ecclestone says “they don’t have a commercial agreement because they are not in the top ten. We pay the top ten, that’s what we do. For three years we did something different because we had an agreement with Max but from now on we will pay the top ten and that is it.”

kals · PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 9:04 am

I don't think that is really new news. It has been known for some time that Bernie is trying to shut Marussia out of the concorde agreement, by not offering them anything to sign up to. This just seems to be another way of not trying to pay Marussia any money. The sticky point comes when Marussia finishes 10th this season. Although for Bernie that is probably a double good thing, as it means he'll not have to pay Marussia or Caterham.

ellis · PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:06 am

I don't really see an issue as this is how it was before we had the new teams.

And not to sound like a dick, but we're now 4 years into having the new teams and they are still comfortably last with only the very very occasional car getting ahead of a team like STR or Williams when they have a very bad weekend. That..isn't good enough.

micha · PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 10:14 am

ellis wrote:

I don't really see an issue as this is how it was before we had the new teams.

And not to sound like a dick, but we're now 4 years into having the new teams and they are still comfortably last with only the very very occasional car getting ahead of a team like STR or Williams when they have a very bad weekend. That..isn't good enough.

I'm not really sure if it's realistic to expect a new team that isn't backed by a massive company to become really competitive in the timespan of 4 years.

And with the current financial crisis it's more teams fighting over a few sponsors than sponsors fighting over a few teams.
Without money its hard to improve

ellis · PostPosted: Mon Apr 29, 2013 11:24 am

I'm not talking about being competitive, I'm talking about a slight improvement. There just hasn't been any. Marussia made a small step forward this year, but all they've done is pass Caterham. So the net gain between the 2 is zero.

They are still both comfortably last and show no sign of actually challenging the cars in front. I'm not expecting them to be at the front, I'm not even expecting them to be challenging for points. But Lotus (as they were at the time) said the first year was the learning year and after that they need to actually become part of the grid and not a second tier team. 4 years in, they're still a second tier team.

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