2009 F1-16 Grande Premio Petrobras Do Brasil Oct.16-18

Gauthier · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 1:54 pm

Kamui is very impressive for a first race. hope he confirm that at Abu Dhabi.

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 2:29 pm

scotty wrote:

Well considering it was a Ferrari that Webber damaged, had the FIA had even the slightest hint that it was dangerous, they would've given him a penalty without blinking an eye, so clearly there was no issue. He didn't move suddenly like he did on barichello at Germany, and he didn't move 3 times like Kobayashi did about on 3-4 so occasions

bollocks.

RtN · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 3:12 pm

Someone ask Irvine what the punishment is for blocking on that straight at Interlagos.

Still appreciating the irony of the head of the GPDA chopping people up like a WVM on the M25.

Ospi · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 4:28 pm

Sure you will get over it.

SFM · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:16 pm

Fox wrote:

SFM wrote:

I guess Kimi got a puncture on the first lap, didn't he?

Badly damaged front wing

That's what everyone saw but he was pretty slow and hit Sutil hard. Here's a pic:

Looks like a puncture, doesn't it?

Regiotap · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:42 pm

He's got a puncture. Remember Hamilton was already out of the pits when Raikkonen arrived.

Evenstar · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:26 pm

The puncture was caused when Webber pushed him off track onto the grass.

Magnifico · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:29 pm

scotty wrote:

Well considering it was a Ferrari that Webber damaged, had the FIA had even the slightest hint that it was dangerous, they would've given him a penalty without blinking an eye, so clearly there was no issue. He didn't move suddenly like he did on barichello at Germany, and he didn't move 3 times like Kobayashi did about on 3-4 so occasions

Webber admitted himself he saw the charging Kimi late but he still just veered across the track into his front wing and then shoved him on the grass for equal measure.
I'll laugh when someone does it back to Webber and then he'll start spouting safety bullcrap when he certainly doesn't care dishing it to others.

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:34 pm

Evenstar wrote:

The puncture was caused when Webber pushed him off track onto the grass.

If you watch the start again you can see that wheel make contact with Sutils front wing.

Evenstar · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 6:56 pm

Gaara wrote:

Evenstar wrote:

The puncture was caused when Webber pushed him off track onto the grass.

If you watch the start again you can see that wheel make contact with Sutils front wing.

Ya, you're right, that was quite a tap. They were under braking though, Hhe was okay in getting away from Sutil and running up to Webber (KERS contributed of course). But I still think the actual moment the tyre became fully punctured was when he was pushed onto the grass at that speed. Kimi didn't mention anywhere that he felt his tyre was punctured into T1.

Something else now, when Alonso tried to avoid Sutil he power slided even before the contact :lol:

Oh oh, and when the fuel from Kovi went onto Kimi, you can hear on the onboard replay the sound of the fuel touching the car and the sound of it igniting. Poor Kimi

phil1993 · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:09 pm

Sutil finally got his revenge on Kimi, heading for a podium only to be taken out by Jarno :lol:

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:09 pm

Barrichello also had his puncture after a while from the impact. So Kimi's race was basically ruined in T1 already. But that doesn't make Webber's move less significant. It was outrageously stupid and dangerous. Kimi would never had put him on the grass, no matter what Mark says.

Kimi actually got fuel from Kovalainen in to his eyes. He mentioned in team radio and team gave him permission to retire. He said on Monday that it was still burning. Have to respect that kind of attitude - not willing to give up no matter what. Not even with racing fuel in the eyes couldn't stop him from completing the race and taking valuable points for 'his team'.

Evenstar · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:19 pm

NVirkkula wrote:

Barrichello also had his puncture after a while from the impact. So Kimi's race was basically ruined in T1 already. But that doesn't make Webber's move less significant. It was outrageously stupid and dangerous. Kimi would never had put him on the grass, no matter what Mark says.

+1.

NVirkkula wrote:

Kimi actually got fuel from Kovalainen in to his eyes. He mentioned in team radio and team gave him permission to retire. He said on Monday that it was still burning. Have to respect that kind of attitude - not willing to give up no matter what. Not even with racing fuel in the eyes couldn't stop him from completing the race and taking valuable points for 'his team'.

Yep.

Cheeveer · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:20 pm

Mansell had fuel in his butt his whole first race. That's badass.

Bleu · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 7:53 pm

RtN wrote:

Someone ask Irvine what the punishment is for blocking on that straight at Interlagos.

Still appreciating the irony of the head of the GPDA chopping people up like a WVM on the M25.

Irvine didn't do that move to block but to lap another car (Bernard)

RtN · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:08 pm

Bleu wrote:

RtN wrote:

Someone ask Irvine what the punishment is for blocking on that straight at Interlagos.

Still appreciating the irony of the head of the GPDA chopping people up like a WVM on the M25.

Irvine didn't do that move to block but to lap another car (Bernard)

And still got a ban for it.

This is why the FIA needs to appoint 3 permanent stewards. It encourages drivers to pull iffy manouveures if they aren't guaranteed to get punished for it.

Regiotap · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 8:41 pm

Irvine said he had no mirror to watch or something. That's why he got a 3race ban.

Coldtyre · PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:35 pm

Since we're on that, if anyone should have been penalized there, it was Brundle for not being as far to the right as he could, and Barnard for being so undecided instead of either getting past quickly or frankly slamming the brakes and staying behind. Leaders were not given room and it ended as we all know.

I always liked that accident, it's ironic how fate brung these 4 cars to share the same space at the same time in such a spectacular fashion.

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 5:42 am

scotty wrote:

NVirkkula wrote:

scotty wrote:

Well considering it was a Ferrari that Webber damaged, had the FIA had even the slightest hint that it was dangerous, they would've given him a penalty without blinking an eye, so clearly there was no issue. He didn't move suddenly like he did on barichello at Germany, and he didn't move 3 times like Kobayashi did about on 3-4 so occasions

bollocks.

Atleast when i call BS on something i give a reason.

The KERS cars have to be aware that they have a much greater closing speed, and be aware of slower cars. you're allowed to block, make one movement. webber did that. No harm no foul, id see it the same way in the inverse.

The proof in the pudding is that the FIA, who, lets be honest, massively favour Ferrari, didn't hand out a penalty, they choose the rules they were right. I personally was expecting a penalty, he went on to win the last time it happened (though it would've been nigh on impossible this time)

bollocks.

Oh and my reason to say this is because what you say is bollocks.

bollocks.

Omega · PostPosted: Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:05 am

isn't Glock driving there?

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