2017 F1 Random Discussion Thread

webbsy · PostPosted: Sun Sep 03, 2017 11:44 pm

More Brudell at Silverstone 1994 please. Liberty is American and American's after all do like a good ole 'splosion.

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 12:04 am

That was one of my favourite engine failures :lol:

Fisichella at Spa in 2002 and Raikkonen in Bahrain 04 also honourable mentions

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 4:58 am

mclaren2008 wrote:

That was one of my favourite engine failures :lol:

Fisichella at Spa in 2002 and Raikkonen in Bahrain 04 also honourable mentions

What about Sato in Monaco and Spa in 2004? Fisichella flipped in Monaco due that and in Spa Kimi went flat out through Radillon through that smoke.

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:14 am

I can't believe you're all forgetting the best 'power unit failure' of all time...

mclaren2008 · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 8:37 am

NVirkkula wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

That was one of my favourite engine failures :lol:

Fisichella at Spa in 2002 and Raikkonen in Bahrain 04 also honourable mentions

What about Sato in Monaco and Spa in 2004? Fisichella flipped in Monaco due that and in Spa Kimi went flat out through Radillon through that smoke.

Ah the Monaco one, which caused a massive crash.

The Spa one was also 2002, so Jordan had two kabooms in one weekend :lol:

Gabriel · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:09 pm

mclaren2008 wrote:

The Spa one was also 2002, so Jordan had two kabooms in one weekend :lol:

Honda engine :whistling:

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:20 pm

Gabriel wrote:

mclaren2008 wrote:

The Spa one was also 2002, so Jordan had two kabooms in one weekend :lol:

Honda engine :whistling:

Hold up - what was in the back of Diniz' Ligier? :whistling:

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 3:29 pm

Diniz in Argentina was more like a fuel spill than an engine kaputt

can't argue it wasn't a great display

Jan Larsen · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 5:03 pm

Diniz' WAS a fuel spill. The filler cap didnt close after filling it to the brim and the first left hander meant the fuel gushed right back out on to hot exhaust pipes and ignited.

Gaara · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 6:33 pm

The joke went way over some heads...

Jan Larsen · PostPosted: Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:41 pm

Haha yeah. Sry...

rallyman69 · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 11:31 am

rallyman69 wrote:

The president of the Paul Ricard race track has said to French magazin L'Equipe the French that the track will change for the next French GP.
https://www.lequipe.fr/Formule-1/Article/Stephane-clair-le-trace-va-changer/815635

finally it looks like the track used today isn't it ?
[tweet]https://twitter.com/GPFranceF1/status/905376632948523009[/tweet]

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:52 pm

They have to, too small run off areas for F1 standards. They don't want their own driver Romain Grosjean to hit any of the walls and thus fail to score points.

Or maybe they will just paint blue parts to green for Rolex or yellow for Pirelli.

LucasWheldon · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 4:20 pm

look, 3 DRS friendly straights, too bad the run offs will have a plate full of track limits penalties

Fabs · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 6:34 pm

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... m=referral

FIA :thumbsup:

NVirkkula · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:22 pm

I think forcing halo for 2018 with risking the teams to miss winter testing completely is a big safety hazard that has a huge impact for the whole season. I believe it would be best to post-pone the halo, just to be safe. After all, only one team was not against introducing the halo for 2018, so we're talking about potential safety hazard for at least 18 drivers in the grid.

So since we're all very concerned of the drivers safety, I think it's safe to say that the safest approach for the coming season is to simply not have halo until we have enough data of it. And when it comes to being certain of safety features I don't care how many more years its going to take for the necessary simulations and data collecting, halo must not be rushed in and thus risk drivers safety.

Shaddix · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:20 pm

How can some teams have mid-season tests with a halo concept on their current cars, but others can't make it work in a half year time?

kals · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 8:21 pm

Shaddix wrote:

How can some teams have mid-season tests with a halo concept on their current cars, but others can't make it work in a half year time?

These are retrofits rather than embedded into the structural designs of the actual chassis.

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:34 pm

Pushing the tests later would surely make more sense. As 'we're all very concerned of the drivers safety', delaying a new safety device wouldn't seem particularly sensible. The same fuss was made over raised cockpit sides, to the point that at least one team boss had a moan at Sid Watkins of all people. I think Jos Verstappen was glad it wasn't delayed for financial reasons.

No other sport lets teams decide how new rules should be implemented, and it's very clear that F1 teams' input invariably fucks up rulemaking anyway.

NVirkkula wrote:

So since we're all very concerned of the drivers safety, I think it's safe to say that the safest approach for the coming season is to simply not have halo until we have enough data of it. And when it comes to being certain of safety features I don't care how many more years its going to take for the necessary simulations and data collecting, halo must not be rushed in and thus risk drivers safety.

How much data and research would satisfy you? The same researchers have been researching various potential structures since 2011, including halo, and have concentrated on halo since July 2016. They simulated (at least) 23 distinct incidents from this year back to 1995, using both the known data from the actual incident, plus modifications allowing for slightly different parameters. They explained their methodology in detail, and directly answered the most common criticisms. This isn't a knee-jerk change. It isn't a tyre chicane, nor is it knockout qualifying.

gkmotorsport · PostPosted: Wed Sep 06, 2017 9:37 pm

Fabs wrote:

http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/11010144/f1-2018-will-halo-introduction-cause-teams-to-miss-winter-testing?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

FIA :thumbsup:

It's money and time they'd rather spend on winglets and vortex generators.

Professor Sid Watkins wrote:

After Imola in ‘94 Max (Mosley) formed the Expert Advisory Group. McLaren lent us a chassis, and we put a dummy in it, and crashed it in various directions at the MIRA test facility, to get data about what was happening to the head and chest. We learned that the seat belts stretched so much that normally the head hit the steering-wheel – or, in a lateral accident, the side of the cockpit.

Because of that, we introduced the high cockpit sides for 1996 – and every team except Ferrari complained to me about it! I’m always singularly unimpressed when people say a safety measure is expensive. One team principal said to me, ‘You’ve cost me a million pounds, to change the chassis’, and I said, ‘Well, knock it off your driver’s salary – it’s for him, not me...’

Plus ça change...

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