2013 Italian Grand Prix

Tobias · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:50 pm

if Alonso goes back to McLaren for 2014 and brings 7 tenths with him again, like he did in 2007, he could easily dominate the season.

NextDimensional- · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 2:58 pm

ellis wrote:

NextDimensional- wrote:

It is Fernando,s last change to do something against Vettel, team screwes up and now he have no right to be angry? Obviously Fernando has his moments, but this could change a lot now. Also, it is Italian GP afterall.

Team screwing up is one thing, but calling them dumb on a radio anyone can hear, in an already strained relationship? And Fernando is just pissy that he didn't get help from Massa. Every other driver has to do it themselves. If there is even a hint that Red Bull favour Vettel, people lose there minds. But at Ferrari, some people just expect Massa to sacrifice his own race to help Fernando.

If Fernando can't get the job done without serious aid from Massa, he doesn't deserve the title. Everyone else is doing it on there own.

Being critical towards team is not nice thing, absolutely agree. It could cost him his place and so on...Still, it was Ferrari,s strategy. Felipe has always been Nr2, nobody should be amazed. Blaming Fernando is silly. Still, being Ferrari fan, it makes me worry about 2014 line-up.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:02 pm

ellis · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:03 pm

NextDimensional- wrote:

ellis wrote:

NextDimensional- wrote:

It is Fernando,s last change to do something against Vettel, team screwes up and now he have no right to be angry? Obviously Fernando has his moments, but this could change a lot now. Also, it is Italian GP afterall.

Team screwing up is one thing, but calling them dumb on a radio anyone can hear, in an already strained relationship? And Fernando is just pissy that he didn't get help from Massa. Every other driver has to do it themselves. If there is even a hint that Red Bull favour Vettel, people lose there minds. But at Ferrari, some people just expect Massa to sacrifice his own race to help Fernando.

If Fernando can't get the job done without serious aid from Massa, he doesn't deserve the title. Everyone else is doing it on there own.

Being critical towards team is not nice thing, absolutely agree. It could cost him his place and so on...Still, it was Ferrari,s strategy. Felipe has always been Nr2, nobody should be amazed. Blaming Fernando is silly. Still, being Ferrari fan, it makes me worry about 2014 line-up.

I'm blaming Fernando for his outburst, and blaming Fernando for not beating Massa. I think it's fair. It's what cost him the title last season. Massa is not that good, even on his day, and yet Fernando couldn't even beat him. So if he wants to win the title he should get it together.

If I was a Ferrari fan I'd want rid of Fernando frankly. He causes more trouble than he's worth and spends too much time playing mind games. I'd prefer Kimi and Hulk or Bianchi. They're more likely to just get on with it.

Gaara · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:13 pm

So he yells at Ferrari for that, can you imagine Alonso driving for Farce India?

NextDimensional- · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:15 pm

Getting rid of Fernando is very risky. Without him, Ferrari wouldn,t had no chance to title in 2010/2012. Felipe,s time is up, he needs to be replaced. There are drivers who are capable doing better job than him. If they fire Fernando, Raikkonen should be they,re only option, if they want to fight for the title.

ellis · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:17 pm

NextDimensional- wrote:

Getting rid of Fernando is very risky. Without him, Ferrari wouldn,t had no chance to title in 2010/2012. Felipe,s time is up, he needs to be replaced. There are drivers who are capable doing better job than him. If they fire Fernando, Raikkonen should be they,re only option, if they want to fight for the title.

They haven't achieved anything with him and he's making it worse with his attitude. I don't think it's a risk to get rid of him under the current circumstances.

Gaara · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:18 pm

If they get Kimi then they don't need Alonso.

NextDimensional- · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:24 pm

ellis wrote:

NextDimensional- wrote:

Getting rid of Fernando is very risky. Without him, Ferrari wouldn,t had no chance to title in 2010/2012. Felipe,s time is up, he needs to be replaced. There are drivers who are capable doing better job than him. If they fire Fernando, Raikkonen should be they,re only option, if they want to fight for the title.

They haven't achieved anything with him and he's making it worse with his attitude. I don't think it's a risk to get rid of him under the current circumstances.

It,s not only Fernando whose to blame on that. But, you have your opinion, i have mine. We will see real situation when 2014 season starts.
Also, i,m no fan of Alonso. Ferrari as a team means much more to me than him.

StefMeister · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:52 pm

Have seen it suggested elsewhere that Alonso's comments were because when Ferrari sent them out Daniel Ricciardo (Who I think had just finished his hot lap) got between them, By the time Ricciardo let Alonso by Massa was further ahead than they had planned.

Seems Alonso was frustrated that Ferrari hadn't timed sending them out better to make sure there was nobody who could get in the way.

nightflight · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:13 pm

Sutil +3 at the starting grid

kals · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:01 pm

Time for Alonso to go sleep with the fishes.

cambridge · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:03 pm

NextDimensional- wrote:

It is Fernando,s last change to do something against Vettel, team screwes up and now he have no right to be angry? Obviously Fernando has his moments, but this could change a lot now. Also, it is Italian GP afterall.

fernando last chance to do something against vettel? This championship was already over a long time ago if he want to do something his only option is to kill the german.

and next year will not be better, massive change in regulation and ferrari historically has never been good to apply new rules in the first year

cambridge · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:07 pm

back from a bycicle trip, weather has never been so good in the last week. To me not a chance tomorrow will rain

kals · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:09 pm

Tobias wrote:

Raikkonen - Hulkenberg would be good.

This for Ferrari in 2014 please. And Koba to replace Alonso once the Spaniard is eliminated from the title fight.

End of.

Tobias · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:38 pm

Quote:

@NobleF1
Caught up in an amusing press scrum with Luca di Montezemolo just now. He shouted at Alonso to ask if he was driving for Marussia next year

not sure if it has anything to do with this:

http://www.tbk-light.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=713193#p713193

Fabs · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:51 pm

StefMeister wrote:

Have seen it suggested elsewhere that Alonso's comments were because when Ferrari sent them out Daniel Ricciardo (Who I think had just finished his hot lap) got between them, By the time Ricciardo let Alonso by Massa was further ahead than they had planned.

Seems Alonso was frustrated that Ferrari hadn't timed sending them out better to make sure there was nobody who could get in the way.

In that case it's logical he's pissed off.

But Alonso is an asshole and moron and retard and horrible mind game player so this can't be the real reason.

Sack him tbh and ban from F1, terrible person
Oh and Vettel is awesome, I love him, what a legend

De Cesaris fan · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:12 pm

Whatever your opinion of him, you don't tend to slag off your employer for them to hear, particularly at their biggest event.

acopip · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Looks like there will be several light showers during the race starting about 14:00h

http://www.weather-forecast.com/locatio ... sts/latest

codename_47 · PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:02 pm

If it rains: best race. Especially with a lot of people on low downforce set up.

(Though lets get the traditional TBK post in: low downforce set up+rain= bitch bitch waaa waaa on radio ensuring SC stays out too long. Obviously. )

If it's dry: Shit race.

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