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Author:  Eddington mains [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:16 pm ]
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Started a new thread and moved all the messages to here

Author:  nightflight [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:45 pm ]
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RIP Andrea :(

Author:  stimaro [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:49 pm ]
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Author:  Mäth [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 9:54 pm ]
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Shit :( RIP Andrea :(

Author:  Pierrot [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 10:36 pm ]
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I was too young when he was racing in F1, but his name and career is legendary in the F1 world. May he rest in peace.

Author:  kals [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:41 pm ]
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Andrea always seemed like a fun character in F1. I don't remember too many like him.

Author:  sadsac72 [ Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:49 pm ]
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Sad day for F1 :cry:
:flag: RIP Andrea De Cesaris :flag:
:( our prayers Jules :(

Author:  cookie [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:26 am ]
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Very sad, I was too young when he raced but I know him because he always drove in good looking cars that are now legendary (that jordan, brabham, tyrrel, ...)

Author:  tick-tock [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 2:47 am ]
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Shit :(

Just got back from a week abroad with no internet and was looking forward to catching up with what's happened in motorsport and at Suzuka... along with Bianchi, what horrible news to come back to.

I now feel extra lucky that he signed my programme at the Silverstone Grand Prix Masters race. RIP Andrea. :flag:

Author:  micha [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:53 am ]
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very sad. He was one of those likable underdogs.

Author:  Cheeveer [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:26 am ]
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The 2012 interview from Motorsport Magazine that I mentioned earlier. It sounds like he had a lot of fun in life.

http://archive.motorsportmagazine.com/a ... er-picture

Author:  Fox [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:33 am ]
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Damn

Horrible news

Rest in peace

Author:  Vassago [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:09 pm ]
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Awful news :cry: R.I.P.

The third driver ever to reach 200 F1 GP.

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Author:  kals [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:11 pm ]
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Autosport.com wrote:
Andrea de Cesaris on his F1 career

Andrea de Cesaris, who died on Sunday, made a big impression in his colourful career despite never winning a race. In this interview from 2006, he looks back on his F1 years with TIM REDMAYNE

By Tim Redmayne

When Andrea de Cesaris returned to racing in the Grand Prix Masters series in 2006, he reflected on his long Formula 1 career in this interview with AUTOSPORT's TIM REDMAYNE

It is quite a measure of Andrea de Cesaris' ability that he continued to land drives with team after team, despite never actually winning a grand prix.

He is still fifth in the all-time list of most experienced F1 drivers, thanks to starting 208 GPs. Only Riccardo Patrese, Michael Schumacher, Rubens Barrichello and Gerhard Berger have started more races, and they all are multiple race winners.

It is a hard fact in Formula 1 that drivers who have won grands prix stay in the sport longer and are wanted more. You have to go all the way down to 28th position on the same list to find the next most experienced driver to have never won a grand prix - Martin Brundle and his 158 starts. Jenson Button's much publicised win-less streak of 112 races is nothing by comparison to de Cesaris.

The Italian had his fair share of reasonably competitive cars, even driving for McLaren in 1981. However, he soon earned a tag of being wild and erratic, and moved to Alfa Romeo for two seasons afterwards.

He showed speed by qualifying on pole at Long Beach and finishing third at Monaco in his debut season with the Italian manufacturer. However, Monaco was a victory opportunity missed: after being gifted the lead by Didier Pironi he ran out of fuel. His engine also blew up in the 1983 Belgian Grand Prix while leading.

For the rest of his career he spent time at several teams - Ligier, Minardi, Brabham, Real, Dallara, Jordan (twice), Tyrrell and Sauber.

So how come de Cesaris's ability was relied upon time and time again, especially in his later years, if he had never actually proved he was a race winner?

In 1991, Eddie Jordan recruited him for his new F1 team, calling on his experience to help his green and blue cars through the trap door of pre-qualifying, in a car that had been deliberately designed to be stable and easy to drive.

"I was a bit used to going into teams where nobody was expecting much," de Cesaris recalls. "Things were working with Jordan and I would say that that first season was one of the best seasons they had.

"They did a good job, we all did a good job, and we didn't have a huge budget or facilities. I drove consistently through the year and I didn't make mistakes all year - only in the first race. The car had a good Ford engine, which put us at the same level as Benetton even though we weren't in a works team.

"We had to pre-qualify for eight of the races and only three cars were going through. If you had a little problem in that hour you were out for the race.

"The car was quite reliable and honestly it had a good basic set-up and we went through all year round without major changes being made to the car. It still looks stunning."

That year provided another chance for de Cesaris to notch up that elusive victory. At the Belgian Grand Prix, the one where a certain German made his debut in the sister Jordan 191, the Italian was catching leader Ayrton Senna in the final laps when the Brazilian was struggling with his gearbox.

"I was catching Senna, but then the engine went out with one lap to go until the end. It was the only engine failure we had that year because we made a change for that race.

"Ford made a change to the pistons and didn't tell any of the team that the oil consumption was higher, so the oil went down in the tank. I was just behind Senna and he started to have problems with his gearbox, so normally I should have passed him and won.

"You never know."

De Cesaris left Jordan to begins two years at Tyrrell in 1992. Driving with a customer Ilmor engine, he wracked up a handful of points finishes in a tidy chassis.

"I was very happy with Tyrrell. We had no budget to put a decent engine in and the car was quite good and quite reliable and I scored a few points.

"The first year was a great year. The second year was difficult, the car they built was not as good as the first car.

"The years with Alfa Romeo, with the Jordan, with the Tyrrell - they were the best times. The cars were quick and I could have a result and the atmosphere in the team was very friendly."

The team where the atmosphere wasn't as friendly, de Cesaris says, was Sauber, where he spent his final nine races, substituting for the injured Karl Wendlinger.

He had not found a drive at the start of the season but was quickly called up by his old Jordan team and spent two races there while Eddie Irvine was serving a three-race ban.

Following Wendlinger's crash in Monaco, de Cesaris was then in the perfect position to be called up by Sauber as replacement for the hospitalised Austrian.

But de Cesaris says the atmosphere within the team that left a sour taste to the end of his Formula 1 career.

"I did a race in Monte Carlo for Jordan because Eddie Irvine was disqualified and then unfortunately there was a problem with Wendlinger and he had his accident and couldn't drive for the next races so I was able to step in.

"But immediately I was not feeling at home at the team. I never got it. The mechanics were nice people but the atmosphere didn't suit my style. The atmosphere was just not the same.

"You need that atmosphere. Drivers are human beings and you have to know them to make sure they get the best possible situation around them. Eddie Jordan was very good at this and always making his driver feel very loved.

"It is important for a driver to feel good and there must be a very open relationship. It is like a child and how you feel the love of your parents.

"The car was well prepared but it didn't have the kind of atmosphere."

His 208th and final grand prix start came at that year's European Grand Prix, before Benetton reject JJ Lehto took his place at Sauber for the remaining rounds.

"I had fun, I had 15 or 14 years of Formula 1. Not winning a grand prix - well, I feel OK about it.

"How many cars won a race that weren't a Williams or a Brabham or whatever? In those 10 years if you didn't drive those cars you wouldn't win. It is not a worry. I'm sure if I had driven for a top team then I would have won races.

"I don't have regrets. For sure if I win it could have been better but I have no regrets.

Author:  James B [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:17 pm ]
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He should have won at Spa twice in pretty mediocre machinery. He was awesome around that circuit and the Jordan 191 must have been particularly hooked up there

I feel like if he'd had a decent car in the late 80s instead of pissing about in slow, unreliable junk, he'd have been able to get rid of his reputation. He was just never given the opportunity, and it wasn't until 91/92 that it became obvious he was still very good. He finished 4th in the first GP Masters race despite having barely stepped in a racing car for over 10 years - that's the sign of someone who has a natural gift for driving racing cars

Author:  LucasWheldon [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 4:37 pm ]
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am I the only one who thinks that the Alfa livery (Marlboro with quadrifoglio and black wings) from those years were better looking than the McLaren from early 80's?

Author:  rcrossin [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 6:53 pm ]
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sadsac72 wrote:
Sad day for F1 :cry:
:flag: RIP Andrea De Cesaris :flag:
:( our prayers Jules :(


You serious with that avatar?

Author:  Range_Race [ Mon Oct 06, 2014 11:52 pm ]
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Even though I was too young to see him racing in F1, I used to watch a lot of videos and interviews on youtube.
He seemed to be a nice guy, I'm really sad about his death. I wished I met him, even though I live far away from Rome.

Here's a photo of the scene.

http://foto.leggo.it/CRONACA/bull_la_mo ... olo=940809

So sad.

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