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Farce of the Race - Hungary
Poll ended at Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:49 pm
Hamilton 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Raikkonen 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Grosjean 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Vettel 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Alonso 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Button 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
Senna 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Webber 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Massa 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Rosberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Hülkenberg 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
di Resta 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Maldonado 14%  14%  [ 11 ]
Perez 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kobayashi 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Vergne 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Ricciardo 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Kovalainen 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Petrov 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Pic 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Glock 3%  3%  [ 2 ]
de la Rosa 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Karthikeyan 1%  1%  [ 1 ]
Schumacher 77%  77%  [ 59 ]
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 5:03 pm 
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Artur Craft wrote:
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Maldonado! Poor performance and again causing crashes that are avoidable.


Just to make clear my position about it, I'm aware the overtake wasn't perfectly "clean". It just seemed, watching it live, that he couldn't avoid the collision because he had an oversteer. I think his past recent crashes influenced this. At least this time, it didn't appear to be an avoidable contact. And it was a rather small one, tbh

"oversteer" is not a fatality that falls on a driver out of the blue. It typically happens when you deliberately don't want to lift off the throttle when racing someone on your outside. Everyone managed to pull it off today without crashing.
Given how he initiated that move, he should have been happy to be given any room in the first place.


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afair, the FI was held by a Sauber which gave Maldonado a shot to try an outbrake on the inside. Later I'll look for the video, but it didn't seem as a reckless divebomb to me. It seemed like a normal side-by-side through the apex with Maldonado having a rather small oversteer(look at his steering wheel) which led him to slightly slide through DiResta(?)

And "deliberately" seems to be standard way to look into any Maldonado move/incident.


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No-one should think it was deliberate, that's just an ignorant point of view. Clumsy and stupid is far more accurate.

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Clumpsy, it might have been. I hope the Stewards keep the standard and punish any driver who make a clumpsy manouvre, but I suspect some guys will get away with it


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Can't do it for everyone who makes a clumsy move, just those who do it week in week out like Maldonado.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:12 pm 
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Time for the old age pension Michael. :thumbsup:


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Poll trolling alert!

Raikkonen, seriously Dannz?


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:22 pm 
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Glock was awfully slow.

Epic fail.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:08 pm 
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Fairly easy one this weekend. Poor old Schumi.
I was tempted to hand it to Vettel for his pathetic radio communication while he was stuck behind Button, but that would have probably been a little too harsh.


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Schumacher's race (weekend) was essentially the definition of Farcical ...


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Gaara wrote:
Poll trolling alert!

Raikkonen, seriously Dannz?


You ever think some people get confused to the point the sleep-click through the threads and CBA working out if they're in the driver of the race thread or farce of the race thread?


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I don't get voting Schumacher in any way. Mercedes is slow and his race was compromised at the start by a technical glitch and then a puncture. From then on he just cruised to gather data. There's nothing you can do when you have a slow Mercedes while encountering manifold kinds of problems. He himself did not perform either greatly or poorly. The voting Schumacher is in itself a farce, and all the talks of old age. For goodness's sake these talks are just farcial.

I voted Maldonado. The contact itself is just typical aggression it doesn't matter. I vote him because he said: "It was a good overtaking manoeuvre."


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Well, I think positioning the car wrongly at the grid is the kind of failure that gives a good ground for him to be voted.


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Peter wrote:
I don't get voting Schumacher in any way. Mercedes is slow and his race was compromised at the start by a technical glitch and then a puncture. From then on he just cruised to gather data. There's nothing you can do when you have a slow Mercedes while encountering manifold kinds of problems. He himself did not perform either greatly or poorly. The voting Schumacher is in itself a farce, and all the talks of old age. For goodness's sake these talks are just farcial.

I voted Maldonado. The contact itself is just typical aggression it doesn't matter. I vote him because he said: "It was a good overtaking manoeuvre."


He parked on the grid wrongly. He shut his engine off. And that slow Mercedes still got into the points with Rosberg. Oh, and pit lane speeding on the way down during the second formation lap - many lols.


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Artur Craft wrote:
afair, the FI was held by a Sauber which gave Maldonado a shot to try an outbrake on the inside. Later I'll look for the video, but it didn't seem as a reckless divebomb to me. It seemed like a normal side-by-side through the apex with Maldonado having a rather small oversteer(look at his steering wheel) which led him to slightly slide through DiResta(?)

And "deliberately" seems to be standard way to look into any Maldonado move/incident.

I didn't say the act of hitting Diresta and pushing him off the road was deliberate. Of course it isn't. Read the post again. The deliberate act is keeping your foot in (in total disrespect and disregard of the other car, but that's just my interpretation based on how little I think of that driver).

What you don't understand is that you don't just "have" oversteer. It happens to you because of your actions on the car, here deciding not to lift off a bit to take the turn at the appropriate speed to keep the car in line. This has nothing to do with my stance on the penalty, which I explained enough in the racing thread.


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ellis wrote:
Peter wrote:
I don't get voting Schumacher in any way. Mercedes is slow and his race was compromised at the start by a technical glitch and then a puncture. From then on he just cruised to gather data. There's nothing you can do when you have a slow Mercedes while encountering manifold kinds of problems. He himself did not perform either greatly or poorly. The voting Schumacher is in itself a farce, and all the talks of old age. For goodness's sake these talks are just farcial.

I voted Maldonado. The contact itself is just typical aggression it doesn't matter. I vote him because he said: "It was a good overtaking manoeuvre."


He parked on the grid wrongly. He shut his engine off. And that slow Mercedes still got into the points with Rosberg. Oh, and pit lane speeding on the way down during the second formation lap - many lols.


Plus: what was the reason for his retirement? He just gave up I presume?


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the German netball team was scheduled to play 5 minutes later.


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dicksplaash wrote:
Plus: what was the reason for his retirement? He just gave up I presume?


Same as Hamilton in Germany...

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...retired to ensure a new gearbox for the next race after climbing no higher than 18th.

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ellis wrote:
Peter wrote:
I don't get voting Schumacher in any way. Mercedes is slow and his race was compromised at the start by a technical glitch and then a puncture. From then on he just cruised to gather data. There's nothing you can do when you have a slow Mercedes while encountering manifold kinds of problems. He himself did not perform either greatly or poorly. The voting Schumacher is in itself a farce, and all the talks of old age. For goodness's sake these talks are just farcial.

I voted Maldonado. The contact itself is just typical aggression it doesn't matter. I vote him because he said: "It was a good overtaking manoeuvre."


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He parked on the grid wrongly.

His fault.

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He shut his engine off.

Smart action. Obviously.

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And that slow Mercedes still got into the points with Rosberg.

Oh, look at the gap for goodness sake. He was a full 40 seconds down, let alone their respective positions on track, after his unscheduled 2 stops. And in the end Rosberg barely made the tenth place. What do you expect? And what are you really trying to say in this argument??

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Oh, and pit lane speeding on the way down during the second formation lap - many lols.
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oh, oh, oops, speeding, a big deal!

Are you just trying to argue having fun or are you seriously thinking the above mentioned errors and misfortunes are all grave mistakes attributed to him to be called farcical. If first, I shouldn't even bother to reply; if second, the whole reply is ridiculous to a certain extent.


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Lmao wat?

He's started nearly 300 races - he should know where to park his car for a start.

Likewise with his speeding in pit lane. He didn't enter at racing speed so had no excuse for that whatsoever, he just fucked up, plain and simple.

The puncture, whilst not technically his fault, added to the farce.

Also, let's not forget his silly crash on Friday and his dire qualifying effort on Saturday.

If that doesn't count as a farcical then god knows what would.


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