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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 12:34 pm 
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Mattzel89 wrote:
it doesn't exist

OMG, THAT MEANS THE FIA AND FOM MUST BE INVOLVED TOO :ohmy:


Doesn't exist or hasn't been broadcast/released to public. Pretty sure all cameras are recording


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It's a bit ridiculous, I think. :o

They don't say anything after the race.
One year later because of a rumor (from Felipe Massa apparently), they make a investigation. :?


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rallyman69 wrote:
It's a bit ridiculous, I think. :o

They don't say anything after the race.
One year later because of a rumor (from Felipe Massa apparently), they make a investigation. :?


What the hell does Massa have to do with that? :?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:35 pm 
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i can probe it!

this is the video of the crash...

http://www.youtube.com/watchnbMZ7bs7e3o

... and this is rubinho try the same manouvers in the warm-up lap (just in case not to fail)! :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feXvqfttAuw
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Last edited by Gaara on Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:40 pm, edited 2 times in total.
You only need to put what comes after ?v= when using YT tags ;)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:38 pm 
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caio89 wrote:
rallyman69 wrote:
It's a bit ridiculous, I think. :o

They don't say anything after the race.
One year later because of a rumor (from Felipe Massa apparently), they make a investigation. :?


What the hell does Massa have to do with that? :?

I made a mistake, it's a rumor from Nelson Piquet father, not ?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:00 pm 
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rallyman69 wrote:
caio89 wrote:
rallyman69 wrote:
It's a bit ridiculous, I think. :o

They don't say anything after the race.
One year later because of a rumor (from Felipe Massa apparently), they make a investigation. :?


What the hell does Massa have to do with that? :?

I made a mistake, it's a rumor from Nelson Piquet father, not ?


Yeah surely, I was only wondering why you named Felipe Massa as source of the rumour.


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Autosport wrote:
Renault summoned by FIA's WMSC

Renault has been summoned to appear before an extraordinary hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council to answer charges that it caused a deliberate crash in last year's Singapore Grand Prix.

The team's representative have been asked to appear at the hearing, which takes place in Paris on September 21.

More to follow.


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Extraordinary Meeting of the World Motor Sport Council
04/09/2009

Representatives of ING Renault F1 have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, 21 September 2009.

The team representatives have been called to answer charges, including a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, that the team conspired with its driver, Nelson Piquet Jr, to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of its other driver, Fernando Alonso.


En we know 151C:
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c) Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the
interests of any competition or to the interests of motor
sport generally.


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Autosport wrote:
Renault summoned by FIA's WMSC

Renault has been summoned to appear before an extraordinary hearing of the FIA's World Motor Sport Council later this month to answer charges that it caused a deliberate crash in last year's Singapore GP.

The team's representative have been asked to appear at the hearing, which takes place in Paris on September 21, to respond to claims that Nelson Piquet's crash in the night race was intentional - with the aim of helping team-mate Fernando Alonso win.

After it was revealed last weekend that the FIA was investigating the events that took place in Singapore, following the emergence of fresh evidence, the FIA confirmed on Friday that it believed there was a case to be answered.

In a statement the FIA said: "Representatives of ING Renault F1 have been requested to appear before an extraordinary meeting of the FIA World Motor Sport Council in Paris on Monday, 21 September 2009.

"The team representatives have been called to answer charges, including a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code, that the team conspired with its driver, Nelson Piquet Jr, to cause a deliberate crash at the 2008 Singapore Grand Prix with the aim of causing the deployment of the safety car to the advantage of its other driver, Fernando Alonso."

Article 151c is the standard disrepute charge, which can result in any severity of punishment, ranging from reprimands and fines through to race bans and exclusion from the world championship.

It states an offence is: "Any fraudulent conduct or any act prejudicial to the interests of any competition or to the interests of motor sport generally."

Piquet's crash early in the race caused a safety car, and the timing of that was perfect for helping Alonso move to the head of the field despite a very early first stop for fuel.

At the time of the event, Piquet was adamant that the crash had been caused simply by him pushing too hard.

"It was my mistake," said the Brazilian. "We tried two extreme strategies with Fernando quite short and me quite long in the hope of getting a safety car. If I hadn't crashed I would have been lucky with the safety car later in the race because I was very happy.

"We're always scraping the walls, and once you've touched the wall a little too much and lose control that's it."

However, it was fresh evidence that came to light in the last few weeks that forced the FIA to take action - and which has resulted in the WMSC hearing. That evidence has also emerged shortly after Piquet was dropped by Renault, although it is not known if the Brazilian himself was a catalyst for the investigation.

Renault has so far declined to comment about the investigation or make any statement about the latest events.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:46 pm 
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could Alonso himself be in trouble for this?


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Tobias wrote:
could Alonso himself be in trouble for this?

Of course, especially if the team is disqualified. And if he knows about the crash, then he is in bigger problems.


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hmm ever been a team convicted of "race fixing" before in F1 ???

i imagine they will be punished severely for that 8O


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How often have Ferrari fixed races then ? :lol:


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<-- and Alonso certainly need some spanking.

<-- has destroyed too many drivers careers. Fernando didn´t get penalised of spygate even he was one of the biggest players in it. Even after blackmailing he is acting like angel.

I hope Renault doesn´t get too severe punishment tho..


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Jyllenberg wrote:
<-- and Alonso certainly need some spanking.

<-- has destroyed too many drivers careers. Fernando didn´t get penalised of spygate even he was one of the biggest players in it. Even after blackmailing he is acting like angel.

I hope Renault doesn´t get too severe punishment tho..


You can't have it both ways. Either Flavio, Renault and possibly Alonso get hammered, or none of them do.

Unless Renault plead guilty and from there attempt to pin it all on one guy acting as a maverick.

This will be more or less Max's last stand as President. And if he can't get the head of FOTA, he'll get the next best thing.

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I wonder who is behind this pathetic attack on renault?

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scarsurfing wrote:
I wonder who is behind this pathetic attack on renault?

eeuuhmm, are you being sarcastic?


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caio89 wrote:
Yeah surely, I was only wondering why you named Felipe Massa as source of the rumour.

I found a few article where Massa is mentioned.
http://www.f1technical.net/news/13239


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Shaddix wrote:
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I wonder who is behind this pathetic attack on renault?

eeuuhmm, are you being sarcastic?



I doubt it because Piquet Sr or Piquet Jr has something to do with this rumor.
Or you really think it coincidence it came out after Piquet Jr was fired??


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do teams keep all telemetry from races last year, can that kinda thing be looked at ect


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the team must have some keyword to tell Piquet so the FIA can easily listen to radio communications prior to the crash.
I doubt there's anything interesting on it.


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