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Who would you prefer?
Ari Vatanen 87%  87%  [ 129 ]
Jean Todt 13%  13%  [ 19 ]
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 Post subject: Re: Vatanen vs Todt
PostPosted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 7:45 am 
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Elections for new president are in October, so at least until that Mosley is the president.


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Max Mosely was seen as the big saviour of world motorsport when he took over from Mr Balestre..... and look what happened

Should we expect anything different this time?


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Ecclestone denied the access of Vatanen to the grid of Formula 1 in Monza.

Any conclusions possible?


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Ecclestone denied the access of Vatanen to the grid of Formula 1 in Monza.

Any conclusions possible?

Vatanen stepped on Ecclestones toes couple of weeks ago.
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Vatanen calls for a back-to-basics approach 04/09/09 20:04

With Formula One Management opting to move the British Grand Prix from Silverstone to Donington next year, the BRDC-owned circuit seemingly has a new friend in FIA President hopeful Ari Vatanen who is keen to see Formula One continue to race at the traditional grand prix venues. He is seemingly a champion for a back-to-basics approach, something that could become an issue with the commercial rights holders.

"I am not against Donington but I am for Silverstone because I don't see it as a sensible move from an overall point of view to go to Donington," he told Reuters India.

F1 CEO Bernie Ecclestone has been a long-time critic of the Northamptonshire circuit, particularly in terms of facilities and the seemingly inability of the British Racing Drivers Club to bring the circuit up to the standard enjoyed at many state-funded venues in that are now prevalent on the F1 calendar.

"The fact that Silverstone may not have a race, Hockenheim may not have a race next year, France may not have a race... it means we are alienating the traditional customers and fans and it is not so easy to win them back," said Vatanen.

Forget about working class families attending F1 races in the future in the UK and Europe, Vatanen insists that the relatively affluent middle classes are now being prices out of the sport.

"We can have a short term gain but a long-term cost and Silverstone is the symbol of that," he said. "If the races are expensive to organise, if the ticket prices are so high that the normal middle class family cannot go with their children to see a race, it means that something is wrong.

Ecclestones role at the head of the CVC owned championship is simple. He and the company need to finance the debt incurred by buying the series ironically from Ecclestone and his plethora of companies and hence the drive from the traditional European venues and the addition of circuits such as Abu Dhabi, Singapore, and China who are willing to pay the big money.

Vatanen's views should he be elected will almost certainly drive a wedge between the previously cosy relationship with the sports governing body and the commercial rights holders...

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 Post subject: Re: Vatanen vs Todt
PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:27 pm 
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Good comments by Vatanen. Ecclestone is a little baby if he really denied Ari access to the grid because of this.


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They said during the BBC practice coverage today that the promoters of WRC, WTCC & another I can't remember have all backed Todt, Bernie also backed Todt Yesterday.


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Two failures of series support the continuation of a completely broken system. Not surprising,


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Went back & watched the part of the coverage they wer etalking about other series promoters backing Todt & the 3rd I coudn't remember when I made the earlier post were the promoters of the FIA GT Series.

They also said on the BBC coverage today that Jean Todt plans to implement a commision to work with the WRC find ways of improving the series & taking it back to where it used to be.

With both Todt & Vatanen's backgrounds in WRC I think whoever wins will try & re-vamp the WRC to try & improve it. I know the FIA have made some stupid rules in WRC the past couple years but I've always had the feeling that Max has neglected the WRC & focussed most of his attention on F1.

Im not really too bothers which wins as I see both as an improvement, I don't think Todt's ties to Ferrari will be a problem, I think he'd do a much better job than many have been giving him credit. Vatanen will also be an improvement & I get the feeling that he would make some big changes that may not prove popular amongst the leadership of some of the series, hence why the promoters are siding with Todt.


Something that will be intresting to see in 10 years time is if whoever wins ends up becoming so unpopular as Baleste & Mosely did. I remember when Max took over the presidency of FISA in 1991 & then the FIA in 1993 when FISA was merged into the FIA, he was quite popular & it was Baleste's unpopularity that allowed Max to get elected in 1991, However Max has become less & less popular the past decade or so as he's made some tough call's, been fair not all of those decisions were bad but he's still become hated by many.


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The FIA GT series, run by a man who couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.

That's three failures of series that support the continuation of a broken system.

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The only series that could benefit from Todt would be the WRC, thanks to his roots there.


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StefMeister wrote:
Im not really too bothers which wins as I see both as an improvement, I don't think Todt's ties to Ferrari will be a problem, I think he'd do a much better job than many have been giving him credit. Vatanen will also be an improvement & I get the feeling that he would make some big changes that may not prove popular amongst the leadership of some of the series, hence why the promoters are siding with Todt.


Quite a sensible post there but I'm not really convinced how much difference will Vatanen make given his ambitious goal with which naturally comes plentiful obstacles, and he doesn't seem to me like an obdurate leader who can make firm decisions like Max Mosley did when the opposition force was fierce.

On topic of Jean Todt being biased toward Ferrari. Well that would be obvious due to the huge influence that Ferrari has over F1, but that has nothing to do with his past employment in the team. I don't think there's much to argue in this case since this is pure politics, not your neighborhood where people are connected through their relations rather than blatant political profits, therefore, unless Todt has a share in the team, I don't see any more (or less) nepotism of Ferrari than now.


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Max has opened his mouth again :yuk:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 286311.stm

Another view on that:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/10/m ... ose-badly/



Also during BBC's practice coverage they spoke to Toyota's John Howard who said that FOTA had sat down with both Todt & Vatanen & were happy with the visions for the future which both had set out.

Also came across this from a few weeks back:
http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/08/t ... p-against/


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Two failures of series support the continuation of a completely broken system. Not surprising,



What Todt and Vatanen are proposing is almost the same, so to say that if Todt gets in it will be a continuation is far from the mark, you can tell that Jean has been working on his proposal for a long time, Ari seems to have come in at the last minute, I initally wanted Ari to win but after reading what both candidates have proposed I firmly believe that Jean had a much better proposal and that the future of the FIA will be very bright in his hands.

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Ari Vatanen was on InsideF1 on BBC News tonight.

The shows been repeated on the Red Button Interactive service & is also on the BBC-F1 website but its only avaliable to UK residents:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 311751.stm

Couple quotes from the show here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 311168.stm


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Todt's lot are being naughty.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/79568


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According MTV3 voting is going to be a close one:

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According "Sunday Time" Vatanen has already 98 sure vote on a election. It seems that to win the election you have to have 104 votes.


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This election has been pretty ugly if you read everything about it.


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Todt was always going to win anyways.


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Vatanen has now dropped his legal action against the FIA:
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/20102009/ ... ction.html


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