FIA F1 point and budget changes

MaTT · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:06 pm

Another big problem: this screws over teams that don't have a defined number one and number two driver. Having both drivers taking wins off each other (ala Ferrari last year and McLaren in 2007) will be even more critical now, so if things are close then teams are going to have to put all their eggs in one basket very early in the season or risk losing everything to a team who only has one driver winning.

Aare · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:09 pm

MaTT wrote:

Another big problem: this screws over teams that don't have a defined number one and number two driver. Having both drivers taking wins off each other (ala Ferrari last year and McLaren in 2007) will be even more critical now, so if things are close then teams are going to have to put all their eggs in one basket very early in the season or risk losing everything to a team who only has one driver winning.

I hope the rational forumers won't be the only ones who sees this retarded system through.

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:10 pm

Good point indeed MaTT!

And why wasn't this up for discussion in the first year of the current points system, in 2003? Raikkonen only won one GP and nearly got world champion. They should have never changed it..

MaTT · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:13 pm

We could theoretically end up with the scenario with 4 races left where Raikkonen and Massa are on similar points but Kimi has won two more races than Massa, so Ferrari would have to instruct Felipe to help him to cover Hamilton who has a similar amount of wins to Kimi but is behind both of them on points.

The only way we're going to get a great inter-team title battle now is if one team dominates. Otherwise, it'll be too risky for them to allow the drivers to share the spoils.

kals · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:14 pm

My favourite quote regarding the change:

FOTA wrote:

There were people who felt status quo was the best thing but I think what swung it was the opinion of the audience.

I thought the audience, as in us the fans, had massively objected to the medals idea. So what audience were they listening to?

Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:24 pm

kals wrote:

My favourite quote regarding the change:

FOTA wrote:

There were people who felt status quo was the best thing but I think what swung it was the opinion of the audience.

I thought the audience, as in us the fans, had massively objected to the medals idea. So what audience were they listening to?

The voices in their heads... that audience.

Gabriel · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:27 pm

Could it be possible that the poll that appeared in F1.com actually showed a moyority of fans in favor of the medals system?

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:28 pm

Is there a petition already?

It would be a surprise if no one has started one yet.

-Edit-
@ above, I don't think it did. Some weeks after the poll Bernie said that it was a bad idea to let this be decided by the fans. And suddenly he also rejected the medals himself.

Alex · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:29 pm

MaTT wrote:

Another big problem: this screws over teams that don't have a defined number one and number two driver. Having both drivers taking wins off each other (ala Ferrari last year and McLaren in 2007) will be even more critical now, so if things are close then teams are going to have to put all their eggs in one basket very early in the season or risk losing everything to a team who only has one driver winning.

Very good point. I am extremely sceptical about this new system of deciding a champion but am prepared to see what happens this year. It will definitely be a talking point.

The thing that gets me about the budget cap is that the teams who sign up will be allowed "total technical freedom". What does that mean? Ground-effects? TC? Fully-auto gearbox? Active suspension? It mentions a few things in the article but it's still a bit vague. Will be very interesting to see how that regulation evolves over the course of the year.

fisher2007 · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:31 pm

PAXTON wrote:

Could it be possible that the poll that appeared in F1.com actually showed a moyority of fans in favor of the medals system?

May be next time FIA will use a poll to decide the championship
the guy with more votes will win the championship

Alex · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:35 pm

Some more interesting stuff for 2009..

Quote:

Media

The FIA will publish the weights of all cars after qualifying at each Event.

For greater clarity for spectators and media, wet tyres have been renamed "intermediate" and extreme-weather tyres renamed â€œwetâ€.

On the first day of practice all drivers must be available for autograph signing in their designated team space in the pit lane.

All drivers eliminated in qualifying must make themselves available for media interviews immediately after the end of each session.

Any driver retiring before the end of the race must make himself available for media interviews after his return to the paddock.

All drivers who finish the race outside the top three must make themselves available immediately after the end of the race for media interviews.

During the race every team must make at least one senior spokesperson available for interviews by officially accredited TV crews.

A number of further amendments were adopted for the 2009 Technical Regulations. Full details will be available shortly on www.fia.com.

MaTT · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:39 pm

So by publishing the fuel loads they instantly take a heck a lot of the mystery and intrigue out of the show.

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Gaara · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:42 pm

FIA hate unknowns, they don't want surprises.

Schumack · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:45 pm

this is good. I hate fake pole postion and stupid excitement that driver x raped the field while it turns out he had like 20 kg less fuel than others.

Alex · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:45 pm

On the flip-side, it will give the viewer some immediate gratification after qualifying i.e. knowing that so-and-so has outqualified so-and-so with a heavier car on Saturday afternoon, rather than having to wait until 25 laps into the Grand Prix.

Mika Kimi · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:47 pm

Exactly, stupid idea IMO. They should have banned the fuel rule completely instead.

fisher2007 · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:52 pm

no strategy no overtake
F1 is a easy sport :thumbsup:

Footballs · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:55 pm

Lol did some in the FIA mistaken a dream they had for the real thing or something? So many radical changes for the future. Its something different so i hounestly dont have a problem with all of this. The best driver wins at the end of the day reguardless of a 20 car pile up, reliability etc. He crossed the line 1st what more can be said?

guzzybrasil · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:57 pm

This is the end
My only friend, the end
Of our elaborate plans, the end
Of everything that stands, the end
No safety or surprise, the end...

Well...I think the end of F1 is near...And im feel so sorry about it...

According to this new system...A lot of world titles could change..

1958 - Stirling Moss (ING) instead of Mike Hawthorn (ING)
1964 - Jim Clark (ESC) instead of de John Surtees (ING)
1967 - Jim Clark (ESC) instead of Denny Hulme (NZL)
1977 - Mario Andretti (EUA) instead of de Niki Lauda (AUT)
1979 - Alan Jones (AUS) instead of Jody Scheckter (AFS)
1981 - Alain Prost (FRA) instead of Nelson Piquet (BRA)
1982 - Didier Pironi (FRA) instead of Keke Rosberg (FIN)
1983 - Alain Prost (FRA) instead of Nelson Piquet (BRA)
1984 - Alain Prost (FRA) instead of Niki Lauda (AUT)
1986 - Nigel Mansell (ING) instead of Alain Prost (FRA)
1987 - Nigel Mansell (ING) instead of Nelson Piquet (BRA)
1989 - Ayrton Senna (BRA) instead of Alain Prost (FRA)
2008 - Felipe Massa (BRA) instead of Lewis Hamilton (ING)

Special attention in Nelson Piquet!!!! (81,83 and 87)

MaTT · PostPosted: Tue Mar 17, 2009 4:59 pm

The most frustrating thing about the whole points system is that every single positive people think of with it could also have been achieved without the negative, silly issues by simply raising the points for the race winner.

It's like giving a guy a choice between two identical hot twins, except one has got a major drug problem and emotional issues. The FIA have gone for the latter.

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