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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:41 pm 
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but looking at both basic car designs I think Le Mans cars have more space for completely different engine options than you'd have in F1.


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Only because the rules are built like that. If you're talking about opening up rules then those restrictions no longer apply. Or you could find they come up with some genius solutions.

However, of the Le Mans engines, only 1 of them is currently larger in size than the F1 ones, which is the Toyota with a V8 - an engine F1 has used without issue for years. The Porsche is considerably smaller.


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But the hybrid systems combined with the Le Mans engines are almost impossible to put into Formula 1 cars. It would take some redesign to have 4-wheel drive cars F1.


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Yeah, that's fine. I've not said put a Le Mans Hybrid system into an F1 car. I'm saying that when the rules are open, different teams come up with different solutions - see WEC.


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Why is it that in WEC the manufacturers are spending miniscule sums of money (versus F1 spending) yet are able to develop very different types of technology to use against other competitors? I don't get how F1 has backed itself into such a corner. F1 goes to more places but covers less mileage than WEC, is less fan friendly and has less interest from potential manufacturers.

In a number of occasions in the past 4 or 5 decades, F1 teams have shown than in order to beat the competition, you have to do what the competition are doing... adoption of wings (in the 70's), using turbo power (in the 80'), using a V10 (90's), etc... this is the polar opposite of WEC.

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Yeah, that's fine. I've not said put a Le Mans Hybrid system into an F1 car. I'm saying that when the rules are open, different teams come up with different solutions - see WEC.


You might be right but the 90's did show that they all ended up using the V10 even before it was forced.

regardless who's right (which only time would tell) I still think they shouldn't restrict the type of engine but the amount of fuel it uses over the course of a race and arguably how much power the electric engine can produce and that the cars are 2-wheel drive. If someone is nuts enough to think front wheel drive is a better option go ahead, just don't whine if it fails.


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F1 in the 90s wasn't anywhere near as open as WEC is now though. They still had to be naturally aspirated, using spec fuel (from different suppliers), with heavy restrictions on other technical parts, such as materials, valves, RPM Limit, etc.

Audi R18
Diesel Hybrid
4 Litre V6
Hybrid System - Flywheel
Energy Recovered from Front Wheels - 2MJ maximum
AWD through hybrid

Toyota TS040
Petrol Hybrid
3.7 Litre V8
Hybrid System - 2x Supercapacitors
Energy recovered from both axles - 6MJ Maximum (possible expansion to 8MJ)
AWD through hybrid

Porsche 919
Petrol Hybrid
2 Lite V4
Hybrid System - Lithium Ion Battery & Exhaust Turbine
Energy recovered from rear axle and exhaust system - 8MJ
AWD through hybrid


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Ferrari sign Gutierrez as reserve driver.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/117155

Why Gutierrez?


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why not?

It's not like he's going to test a gazilion miles like Badoer did and he has experience with the current engine and is a recent participant in F1 and might bring in a few bucks even.
Who else would you pick?


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micha wrote:
why not?

It's not like he's going to test a gazilion miles like Badoer did and he has experience with the current engine and is a recent participant in F1 and might bring in a few bucks even.
Who else would you pick?



Yeah, he's not that bad pick if the 3rd cars are coming at some point. There's not many 2014 drivers out there that have experience of Ferrari PUs and has some potential left in him (Sutil and Chilton not so much).

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micha wrote:
why not?

It's not like he's going to test a gazilion miles like Badoer did and he has experience with the current engine and is a recent participant in F1 and might bring in a few bucks even.
Who else would you pick?



Yeah, he's not that bad pick if the 3rd cars are coming at some point. There's not many 2014 drivers out there that have experience of Ferrari PUs and has some potential left in him (Sutil and Chilton not so much).


I honestly rate Sutil higher than Guttierrez. Although I think his time in F1 as race driver is done. I think he has enough to offer as test driver, and maybe in endurance racing (in same role as Fisichella had the last years).


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Plus there isn't going to be third cars.

Why not have Marchiello as the reserve?


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Because he doesn't have any experience of current F1 cars?

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Fish88 wrote:
NVirkkula wrote:
micha wrote:
why not?

It's not like he's going to test a gazilion miles like Badoer did and he has experience with the current engine and is a recent participant in F1 and might bring in a few bucks even.
Who else would you pick?



Yeah, he's not that bad pick if the 3rd cars are coming at some point. There's not many 2014 drivers out there that have experience of Ferrari PUs and has some potential left in him (Sutil and Chilton not so much).


I honestly rate Sutil higher than Guttierrez. Although I think his time in F1 as race driver is done. I think he has enough to offer as test driver, and maybe in endurance racing (in same role as Fisichella had the last years).



Sutil wants money (I recon) and Guttierrez brings money (I recon). And there isn't a huge difference between them so I'd know who I would pick.


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micha wrote:
It's not like he's going to test a gazilion miles like Badoer did and he has experience with the current engine


maybe they are testing their engine in prototype road cars, who knows :whistling:

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Gene Haas is going to bid on some of Marussias assets at the auction tomorrow.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/d ... ew-f1-team


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Gene Haas is going to bid on some of Marussias assets at the auction tomorrow.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/d ... ew-f1-team


I wonder what he could possibly want? The chassis will be outdated, the engine & gearbox will be supplied by ferrari (A current spec unit), computers will be out of date by the time Haas go racing.... Maybe the transportation trucks or something else along those lines...

In other new, it's just 88 days till the start of the season at Albert park! 45 days till pre season testing!


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Probably the only chance to see Kubica in an F1 car once again. Quite sad...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziwGPw7MREY


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WilliamsF1 wrote:
StefMeister wrote:
Gene Haas is going to bid on some of Marussias assets at the auction tomorrow.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2014/d ... ew-f1-team


I wonder what he could possibly want? The chassis will be outdated, the engine & gearbox will be supplied by ferrari (A current spec unit), computers will be out of date by the time Haas go racing.... Maybe the transportation trucks or something else along those lines...

In other new, it's just 88 days till the start of the season at Albert park! 45 days till pre season testing!



he suggested he might buy the building. Might be after machinery and data.


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Why would he want machinery? Thats what his whole company is about :p.


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