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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 3:16 pm 
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There are number of people who complain about certain drivers.
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They are totally clueless indeed. Did Brawn really complain that Perez's DNF compromised his grid spot at Silverstone? Like really? Does he fucking expect every car to finish each sprint race? They want to create artificial excitement with a mixed-up grid but then say a thing like that? Morons. Sadly this only opens the door for replacing the regular Grand Prix distance with a bunch of these sprint races. Just get rid of this nonsense, any which way! I can't possibly imagine what stupid tweaks they will come up though.

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Despite absolute dislike by the majority they plan on pushing the sprint race into a stand alone thing. :slaphead:

As they call it themselves: despite some minor protests by the fans

Do you guys have poll results to back this up? There is an increasing number of comments on here (TBK) that don't consider the possibility that their opinion may not be shared by a majority of F1's global fanbase. Sometimes even conveniently dismissing any F1 official announcement as false propaganda when it doesn't fit their opinion. It's a worrying way of thinking.

TBK is not my only source of info, or only place to discuss things. I am active in plenty of other fora, plenty of Facebook groups, and you know what? I know real people. I mean, in real life.

I feel safe to say that the sprint race did not have many fans...


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 10, 2021 6:32 pm 
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There you have it. Ferrari wants reverse grids in F1. Utter bullshit.

I suspected they wanted this gimmick in F1 all along and only feared a massive backlash from those big manufacturers who don't spend millions of dollars NOT to see their car at the back of the grid. As much as I dislike Mercedes dominance I hope they keep this BS idea away as long as possible.

Entertainment my ass. If you want entertainment - watch the Renault Clio Cup!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... s/6664250/

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Have they all had massive brain hemorrhages due to long covid or something? Even Bernie didn't push reverse grids this maniacally. :yuk: :censored:
I'd rather watch 40 years of Mercedes dominating and 25 races at Abu Dhabi pit limiter on, than accept Reverse Grids. The moment that happens, I stop watching and tell people that every other weekend from 1999 to 2021 I was just doing pissing fetish games, hence my social withdrawal.


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Reverse championship order grids for sprint races at every gp, and no more quali, will be much better than the current format imo. It's simple, and teams will make cars that are good at overtaking. No need for single lap quali spec cars anymore.


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Reverse grid was working well for Superleague Formula back in the day. 1st race was in qualifying order, 2nd race was full of actions with the reserve grid of race 1 result.


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The concept of having Hamilton and Verstappen start at the back, having to let them fight through the field for the sprint race and from that position the next day for the main race, and a backmarker scoring 3, 2 or 1 point if he survives the sprint race well, all sound good to me.
But I hate what they did or do in junior categories, where the driver who finished 10th in the first race, gets pole for the next race and manages to win on a track where overtaking is not going to happen. He didn´t earn that position, he got it because he sucked in the first race.


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Agreed, the f2 and f3 rules suck. Just reversing championship order for sprint and no more qualifying. it's simple to understand, even for newcomers to the sport which they want to attract with these short sprint races. The best teams will still win on Sunday after coming from the back on Saturday. Only on tracks like Monaco probably not. Maybe have a normal quali there, as it's kind of a one off race like the Indy 500. But for all of the other races, no quali and reverse grid sprints.


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Seeing some rumours on twitter Zhou's sponsors are pushing hard to get that Alfa Romeo #2 seat.


He looks like the only driver on the current F2 grid who might get a seat and it will largely be bankrolled by the Chinese government.

I didn't realise the rule that if you won the championship, you can't stay in the series.

When was the last time not a single F2/GP2/F3000 driver made the step up to F1 the following year? Only thing that comes to mind is 2009 when only one made the step up (Buemi)


1998 F3000 was the last season nobody made the full-time switch to Formula 1 the following year (Stephane Sarrazin was a Prost test driver who made one-off entry at Brazilian GP due to Luca Badoer's wrist injury). Of course the main reason was Montoya & Rodriguez signed with IndyCar teams for 1999.

The 1999 F1 rookie class was: Pedro de la Rosa (1997 Formula Nippon, 1998 Jordan test driver), Marc Gene (1998 World Series by Nissan) and Ricardo Zonta (1998 FIA GT however 1997 F3000 champion).


If there were more teams in F1 there would be more opportunities for F2 drivers to get a shoe in. The FIA needs to make it easier for new entrants such as reducing the ransom payment and complexity of the cars.

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Coldtyre wrote:
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Despite absolute dislike by the majority they plan on pushing the sprint race into a stand alone thing. :slaphead:

As they call it themselves: despite some minor protests by the fans

Do you guys have poll results to back this up? There is an increasing number of comments on here (TBK) that don't consider the possibility that their opinion may not be shared by a majority of F1's global fanbase. Sometimes even conveniently dismissing any F1 official announcement as false propaganda when it doesn't fit their opinion. It's a worrying way of thinking.

So, to bring this up again: have you been on the internet today? Found many fans for sprint races yet? Because based on what I read, most are against it. I´m not going to count them all, I won´t make you a poll, but I do get the general idea that with fans who took the time to react, are not all that positive.


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The Atlas topic on the format has a poll - the results are viewable to all. Obviously Atlas (much like this forum) is comprised mostly of people who got into the sport pre-Liberty and pre-DtS, which might have an effect.

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/2183 ... yes-or-no/

There's some interesting stuff on the last page about Youtube stats as well - the gist is that the ratio of likes-to-dislikes on the sprint race highlights video is greatly in favour of 'like', but almost all of the comments are negative.

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I don't think Youtube likes should come into this.

I like/dislike things on youtube so the algorithm shows me similar things on my feed and not suggest things I don't like (for example I like every live race stream I watch and sometimes it suggests other strams from Denmark touring cars or Japanese F4 or something that's live but I'm not subscribed to)

I don't click like/dislike because I agree/disagree with the content. If it's something very objectional you can click "don't show me this" instead, so I hope F1 aren't deluded enough to think clicking like on YT is people saying "yes, I like the format"

I don't like the format but I still like the videos and add them to my F1/Motorsport playlists, so it's a whole different thing than my opinions on if it should happen or not

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I watched the YouTube highlights because I’m boycotting the actual sprint race. At this point I feel that’s the only voice I have and wish others followed suit. If the tv stations see that massive drop in viewers for the sprint race compared to normal qualifying and the actual race they will voice their concerns.

They don’t just rely on us taking out a subscription but also on adds. And those are based on viewer numbers

I don’t expect the recent survey to be used properly. They’ll cherry-pick the results and I’m not holding my breath for Nielsen to openly attack their customer for manipulating the results.


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Depressing thought of the day: after this exciting and suspenseful triple header with so much drama and novelty, we're headed for Sochi next race.


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There's only 2 more races there though :flag:

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Depressing thought of the day: after this exciting and suspenseful triple header with so much drama and novelty, we're headed for Sochi next race.


Bottas is already rubbing his hands waiting for another tangling between Lewis and Max, just to get his final one

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If there is more teams to enter they would need to ditch the money system where only top 10 gets majority of the prize money. More recently HRT never got into top 10 and dropped out, Lotus/Caterham dropped out after dropping out of it in 2013 and 2014, Virgin/Marussia/Manor dropped out after dropping out of top 10 in 2016.


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They should always give 13 teams prize money, and if there are no 13 teams, that portion goes to charity. And instead of $200m entry free, $200m should be given to every new team (only after 3 to 5 years to prevent hit-and-run companies).
Too bad I'm not an F1 Führer, as there would never be anymore a situation where no teams want to enter the sport. :p


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There are some rumours on Vettel retiring at the end of the season as well. Szafnauer says it's "100% nonsense", but let's see.


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There are some rumours on Vettel retiring at the end of the season as well. Szafnauer says it's "100% nonsense", but let's see.


There's been a lot of "Alonso to Aston Martin" rumours doing the rounds, which struck me as Flavio stirring shit to try and get Alonso in Vettel's seat (Apparently he's still good friends with Stroll Snr and uses that to pretend he knows what's going on at AM as if Stroll isn't going to treat a rival's manager with kid gloves when he talks to him)

But then....Vettel does keep on spinnin', and you get the impression maybe he'd rather be off eco-warrioring and litter picking and being a family man away from the spotlight, so maybe some of this IS coming from Seb himself, who knows

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