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Yeah exactly, after all to the best of my knowledge they didn't radio Vettel and say give the place back. Even though he disobeyed the team order, I actually have no problem with Vettel's first attempt at overtaking. He gave it a shot and didn't pull it off. At that point the team should have said, ok, you had your one shot, it didn't work out, now pull back.....Don't often agree with Flavio, but he is right in this instance about the conflicting power struggles within that team, and the fact that Horner doesn't seem to be able to make a call of "Do as I say". I feel they are more McLaren than they want to admit.

I can see Webber's career being very Coulthard if he leaves RB

Number 2 to a faster team mate in his prime, moves to a smaller team in an attempt to "do a Schumacher" lay the foundations for future success.
By the time that success arrives, he's too old and has to make way for the next young prodigy...

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I reckon Coulthard and Webber can be compared very similarly with their careers, though I couldn't see Webber being any good as a commentator given he always goes "and ahhhhhhh...*sigh*...*deep breath*..........yeah and."

Honestly if he leaves Red Bull after this season, I think he might just retire.

DC had an inherent advantage in that he had (and possibly still has) the best working relationship of any driver with Newey. He is still the driver to have driven the most races in a car designed by Newey. Newey followed him to McLaren and then followed him to Red Bull. Would he follow Webber to any future F1 team of his?

I'd like to think that by the time contracts are talked about seriously in July\August that Sebastien will have repaid Webber somehow and the issue will be completely done with.

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Marco Simoncelli ¦ 1987-2011
Jules Bianchi ¦ 1989-2015
Justin Wilson ¦ 1978-2015

Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

Not wanting to start the whole pic trend thing again (heh, who am I kidding, yes I do ) but this seems appropriate now given the current topic.

(Also remember this is how mad Mark was BEFORE the race )

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And never has so little been done with so much by so few

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Webber would be humiliated by the whole team. He is old, he has never won a championship and not even close to do it even if in the last three years he has always been behind the wheel of the fastest car. Why in hell would they put their money on him if not for having an experienced second driver? Last time ferrari had two competitive drivers was Mansell and Prost and its 20+ years ago. He will never have a real chance to run for championship in Ferrari and Ferrari will never be interested in a driver like him: if they have to find a substitute for alonso they'll go for Hamilton or Vettel or Raikkonen, if they go for a second driver they'll probably go on a young one that they have to pay less and they could hope can improve. Webber can be targeted only by average teams that need an experienced driver, possibly coming from the best team around. That's why it's better option is still to remain at RBR.

Perhaps a Webber-Grosjean swap. Don't see Kimi leaving Lotus as it has been such a good relationship so far but then again, it is Kimi and he knows what he is doing.

I think the fundamental issue is Horner's comments that they knew Vettel wouldn't let him back through.

Who's running the team? Vettel, Horner, Marko..?

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Had a conversation with some non-f1 friends today....they don't understand why a racing driver should have to apologise for winning a race...

I tried explaining the ramifications to them but they didn't really "get it"

Maybe this whole episode is doing more harm to the sport than good....

Especially considering the 3 week break. If this had happened in Aus, more headlines would've replaced the scandal from the Malaysian race (indeed, who is talking about Ferrari's wonky strategy to favour Alonso now? ) but until the cars get back out there in China this story will sadly run and run.

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If this had happened in Australia, Vettel wouldn't have made it out of the country.

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I can sympathise with them. I'm still trying to work out why there are teams using team orders at the second race.

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Marco Simoncelli ¦ 1987-2011
Jules Bianchi ¦ 1989-2015
Justin Wilson ¦ 1978-2015

Yeah, I know he's mad and I don't care. I do not care. I did not care then. I do not care now. I'm here to race him.

Aahhhh !

Really nice, your videos are always interesting, thanks for sharing !

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I think, in Australia we would see a remake of it:
[youtubeidiot]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8v0KZvXW0g[/youtubeidiot]
or this

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I forgot how hilarious this was! First a hit but at first sight not much harm done except some wings, but then they both crash at the same time. And then they don't show Vettel going for another lap

I wonder if the teams decision is now that the drivers can race each other safely. Both pulled it off VERY well. Vettel would've been angry at being told not to pass. Webber was certainly angry at Vettel trying to pass, so even in their states of anger they managed not to hit each other. That's actually really impressive IMO.

Also, Vettel tried to pass on the exit of T3 on the run up to 4 the lap before. So Webber knew he was coming. If that's the case, why didn't Webber just say "Well fuck this" and turn his engine back up again? Everything that everyone is saying, we've been led to believe that Webber turning his engine down was the only reason Vettel caught him. But in reality Vettel was with Mark earlier in the race and had wasted speed stuck behind Mark, apparently still not allowed to pass. This eventually cost Vettel a place to Lewis. So Vettel did have the speed, so if Marks engine was turned down, why wasn't it turned back up? If he just rolled over and died then I'm pretty disappointed in it.

Well, as some members have mentioned already, maybe his mindset wasn't 100% in it anymore with everything turned down, and expecting an easy ride to finish. I am no racing driver, so I have no idea how you work mentally in a situation like that, but I'd imagine it would be quite hard to just get back at 110% again in a heartbeat. And after seeing that battle, it is quite safe to say that he didn't roll over and die. That was one of the most intense battles for the lead in a long time.

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I shagged a couple of loose balls for her in warmups.

He probably needed to save fuel like Hamilton. Webber started in fifth so it's logical to give him less fuell than Vettel on pole. When stuck in traffic you can save fuel. But Mark got a good start so he was never stuck in traffic and not in a position to save enough fuel.

People are not shocked enough by this.

His actual start wasn't all that good, infact it was worse than everyone around him. He just positioned the car awesomely in the first set of turns.